RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool B)
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@Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Why did Ta'avuo (Sp) go off after only 20 odd minutes
They obviously had a plan to limit the minutes of the 3 player who played at TH prop.
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Ta'avao played 26 mins
Laulala played 26 mins
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@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Why did Ta'avuo (Sp) go off after only 20 odd minutes
They obviously had a plan to limit the minutes of the 3 player who played at TH prop.
Oh sweet. I hadn't read through the thread and was worried he might have come a croppa
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It suggests Moli won’t play against Namibia but be on the bench for Italy.
Edit: just saw the postgame media conference. Moli did well to get through the 80.
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@Stargazer said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Brodie back for Namibia then? That is good news.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Has anyone forced their way into the top 23 if SA Selection for game one is the top 23 ?
Weber perhaps?
Game changed when he came on great pass and runs great support lines would not have thought that was a chance to take TJs spot before the WC but Webber was very good.
I agree. I can't see how anyone thought he was anything other than excellent when he came on (at least compared to TJP). He kept it simple, did his job, got the ball out quickly, backed-up well and, importantly, didn't try to do too much himself. Based on that performance, I'd feel much more confident having him to come on and guide us home in the last 10 mins of a RWC knockout match.
Really?!?! You would have Webber supplant TJP, who at times has challenged A Smith hard for the starting job this year, based on 35 minutes against Canada? You set your bar much lower than me
I actually set it quite high for halfbacks, but my metrics might be different to others. TJP is a great rugby player with a good "rugby brain", hence why he scores so many tries by running really good support lines. My problem is that's not what he should be doing - he's a halfback not an openside flanker. His pass is shit, his kicking is shit, he's selfish and greedy, his option-taking is often poor, he plays for himself more than the team and - crucially - he's not calm or smart enough to be entrusted with such a key role (at which he's not particularly proficient technically), particularly in such a crucial match. I'd much rather have Weber there in such moments, because at least you know he'll pass fast and accurately to the guys who should be taking control (e.g. Mo'unga and Barrett) rather than trying to be a hero and do it all himself.
i actually have a bit of sympathy with this point of view. TJP is all of those things. His pass is ropey as fuck (he threw some shockers last night), his kicking is ordinary, and he has cost us games by being a bit shit. He's got Kelleher in 2003 written all over him (but with a worse pass).
It's just that Weber isn't great either, and they aren't making that change now.
Weber's passing has been bloody awful in the past as well. I distinctly recall him completely shitting the bed against the Canes in a knockout match. There's no way in hell I'd be trusting him in a RWC knock-out match.
I also call bullocks on TJP never playing well for the ABs. He has been outstanding on a regular basis; him trying a bunch of flashy shit against a Canada team lacking even professional rugby players is no indication of how he plays in the big tests. He's a beast on defense and is a real threat with ball in hand around the ruck. Different attributes to A Smith which is what makes them an awesome 1-2 punch combo.
There is a fuckload of daylight between A Smith/TJP and our third best halfback. Weber kind of got in by default. Looking good against Canada doesn't mean a thing.
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jesus, the Hurricanes white cavalry are late to the party today.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:jesus, the Hurricanes white cavalry are late to the party today.
Some of us have jobs
Also Jordie was absolutely awesome and deserves a spot in the 23 based on this performance
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@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Some of us have jobs
whoa check out captain overachiever over here!
and yes, Jordie was really good last night.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Some of us have jobs
whoa check out captain overachiever over here!
and yes, Jordie was really good last night.
Low bar for JB, 50% missed tackles ...
He was good in attack.
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Weber is so good that it took him four years to get his second cap. And he only got his first because we ran out a distinctly B side in the islands.
I think it is fair to say that the TWM don't rate him very highly.
If nothing else, he often gets smashed by big fellas in the tackle. Hardly his fault, and it's nice to see a little man playing at the top level, but it is what it is.
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@No-Quarter yeah, pretty laughable post trying to shit on Perenara and talk up Weber... And going on about AB performance (Perenara has been very good this year) and passing (Weber had some absolute shockers for the Chiefs).
How much defending did Weber have to do? How much scrapping for the ball and organising the breakdown?
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@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:TJP's and Weber's passing problems are the exact opposite. TJP has a bad habit of chucking out passes that bounce or are low, while Weber tends to pass too high. It makes you appreciate Smith even more.
Simple, we pair TJ with Mo' and Weber with JB if god forbid we ever play him at 10.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:jesus, the Hurricanes white cavalry are late to the party today.
Some of us have jobs
Also Jordie was absolutely awesome and deserves a spot in the 23 based on this performance
Are you a Wellingtonian on six figures?
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Has anyone forced their way into the top 23 if SA Selection for game one is the top 23 ?
Weber perhaps?
Game changed when he came on great pass and runs great support lines would not have thought that was a chance to take TJs spot before the WC but Webber was very good.
I agree. I can't see how anyone thought he was anything other than excellent when he came on (at least compared to TJP). He kept it simple, did his job, got the ball out quickly, backed-up well and, importantly, didn't try to do too much himself. Based on that performance, I'd feel much more confident having him to come on and guide us home in the last 10 mins of a RWC knockout match.
Really?!?! You would have Webber supplant TJP, who at times has challenged A Smith hard for the starting job this year, based on 35 minutes against Canada? You set your bar much lower than me
I actually set it quite high for halfbacks, but my metrics might be different to others. TJP is a great rugby player with a good "rugby brain", hence why he scores so many tries by running really good support lines. My problem is that's not what he should be doing - he's a halfback not an openside flanker. His pass is shit, his kicking is shit, he's selfish and greedy, his option-taking is often poor, he plays for himself more than the team and - crucially - he's not calm or smart enough to be entrusted with such a key role (at which he's not particularly proficient technically), particularly in such a crucial match. I'd much rather have Weber there in such moments, because at least you know he'll pass fast and accurately to the guys who should be taking control (e.g. Mo'unga and Barrett) rather than trying to be a hero and do it all himself.
i actually have a bit of sympathy with this point of view. TJP is all of those things. His pass is ropey as fuck (he threw some shockers last night), his kicking is ordinary, and he has cost us games by being a bit shit. He's got Kelleher in 2003 written all over him (but with a worse pass).
It's just that Weber isn't great either, and they aren't making that change now.
Yeah, I recognise that Weber overtaking TJP is very unlikely. However, it would make me more comfortable if he did, for all the reasons I have already stated.
I'm not saying that Weber is the second coming of Graeme Bachop. But, in my view, he could be trusted more than TJP to do a very simple job in a high-pressure situation (I appreciate that's not a high standard to meet).
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@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Has anyone forced their way into the top 23 if SA Selection for game one is the top 23 ?
Weber perhaps?
Game changed when he came on great pass and runs great support lines would not have thought that was a chance to take TJs spot before the WC but Webber was very good.
I agree. I can't see how anyone thought he was anything other than excellent when he came on (at least compared to TJP). He kept it simple, did his job, got the ball out quickly, backed-up well and, importantly, didn't try to do too much himself. Based on that performance, I'd feel much more confident having him to come on and guide us home in the last 10 mins of a RWC knockout match.
Really?!?! You would have Webber supplant TJP, who at times has challenged A Smith hard for the starting job this year, based on 35 minutes against Canada? You set your bar much lower than me
I actually set it quite high for halfbacks, but my metrics might be different to others. TJP is a great rugby player with a good "rugby brain", hence why he scores so many tries by running really good support lines. My problem is that's not what he should be doing - he's a halfback not an openside flanker. His pass is shit, his kicking is shit, he's selfish and greedy, his option-taking is often poor, he plays for himself more than the team and - crucially - he's not calm or smart enough to be entrusted with such a key role (at which he's not particularly proficient technically), particularly in such a crucial match. I'd much rather have Weber there in such moments, because at least you know he'll pass fast and accurately to the guys who should be taking control (e.g. Mo'unga and Barrett) rather than trying to be a hero and do it all himself.
i actually have a bit of sympathy with this point of view. TJP is all of those things. His pass is ropey as fuck (he threw some shockers last night), his kicking is ordinary, and he has cost us games by being a bit shit. He's got Kelleher in 2003 written all over him (but with a worse pass).
It's just that Weber isn't great either, and they aren't making that change now.
Weber's passing has been bloody awful in the past as well. I distinctly recall him completely shitting the bed against the Canes in a knockout match. There's no way in hell I'd be trusting him in a RWC knock-out match.
I also call bullocks on TJP never playing well for the ABs. He has been outstanding on a regular basis; him trying a bunch of flashy shit against a Canada team lacking even professional rugby players is no indication of how he plays in the big tests. He's a beast on defense and is a real threat with ball in hand around the ruck. Different attributes to A Smith which is what makes them an awesome 1-2 punch combo.
There is a fuckload of daylight between A Smith/TJP and our third best halfback. Weber kind of got in by default. Looking good against Canada doesn't mean a thing.
No one said he's never played well for the ABs - look at my previous post where I said he was great against England at Twickers in the rain. I'll also concede that he's looked great several times against the Argies and on occasion against the Boks and Wobblies, when we've smoked them.
What I have said, though, is that he's been patently shit in high-pressure situations in big test matches. Lions 1, 2 and 3 and Boks 1 in 2018 stand out as exemplars of his shitness in high stakes matches.
