Boxing Thread
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
@mariner4life same can be said of Rugby though.
@mariner4life boxing is littered with stories of guys who earn a truckload but lose it through bad advice/investments or generosity to hangers on ( same can be said of Jonah ) and they have to step back in the ring just to break even again.
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@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
In fairness to Parker. Anytime he attempted to dirty box or get into a position to do something meaningful the ref broke it up.
Im my opinion Parker is in a very good place now. That aside....
Andy Fucking Ruiz Jr. You bloody legend.
What an inspiration to fat fluffybunnies the world over....can anyone believe this guy is a professional athlete? Pass me another beer and plate of onion rings....
He would have to do a huge amount of training, yet he still looks like he inhales donuts with each breath. His food intake must be absolutely enormous.
Built for purpose.
Put on 5lbs from last fight to give more heft to his hits; not be bullied around the ring by the bigger fighter; and a layer of cushioning to absorb AJ's blows.
By contrast, AJ's mid section whilst aesthetically impressive couldn't cope with Ruiz's power.
Ruiz's physique is not dissimilar to MMA Legend Fedor Emelianenko.
For sure. But the calorific intake must be ludicrous. He must eat a cake between training rounds.
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@mariner4life said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
@mariner4life same can be said of Rugby though.
@mariner4life boxing is littered with stories of guys who earn a truckload but lose it through bad advice/investments or generosity to hangers on ( same can be said of Jonah ) and they have to step back in the ring just to break even again.
Mike Tyson had a lot of pigeons to feed after he retired too.
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He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
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@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
Posts like this are why we love you and your knowledge Raz.
Fuck I'm excited at the thought of a Wilder/Fury rematch !!!
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@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
The phrase 'Ring IQ' has come up a lot pre- and post- this bout.
Ruiz's team had recognised a weakness in AJ and exploited it.
It was a risky move, which put Ruiz on the canvas for the first time in his career.
But after Ruiz made the count, AJ went back to the well and Ruiz recognising that dealt with it and caught him on the counter. Same to end the fight.
Ruiz's reading of the risks & rewards in the moment was better than AJ's.
Fury has this, Whyte and Parker don't.
In rugby terms, Ruiz is NZ; Fury is Wales; AJ, Whyte & Parker are England; and Wilder is Samoa or Fiji.
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@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
The phrase 'Ring IQ' has come up a lot pre- and post- this bout.
Ruiz's team had recognised a weakness in AJ and exploited it.
It was a risky move, which put Ruiz on the canvas for the first time in his career.
But after Ruiz made the count, AJ went back to the well and Ruiz recognising that dealt with it and caught him on the counter. Same to end the fight.
Ruiz's reading of the risks & rewards in the moment was better than AJ's.
Fury has this, Whyte and Parker don't.
In rugby terms, Ruiz is NZ; Fury is Wales; AJ, Whyte & Parker are England; and Wilder is Samoa or Fiji.
A truly bizarre analogy for a guy undefeated in 42 pro fights.
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
The phrase 'Ring IQ' has come up a lot pre- and post- this bout.
Ruiz's team had recognised a weakness in AJ and exploited it.
It was a risky move, which put Ruiz on the canvas for the first time in his career.
But after Ruiz made the count, AJ went back to the well and Ruiz recognising that dealt with it and caught him on the counter. Same to end the fight.
Ruiz's reading of the risks & rewards in the moment was better than AJ's.
Fury has this, Whyte and Parker don't.
In rugby terms, Ruiz is NZ; Fury is Wales; AJ, Whyte & Parker are England; and Wilder is Samoa or Fiji.
A truly bizarre analogy for a guy undefeated in 42 pro fights.
Yeah struggled with that one, but who would he be then?
Unorthodox, with tremendous skill and athleticism who does well against smaller, less athletic opponents but when confronted with a serious challenge struggles.
He should have one loss to his record despite chinning Fury.
Edit: Maybe NZ Maori then?
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@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
The phrase 'Ring IQ' has come up a lot pre- and post- this bout.
Ruiz's team had recognised a weakness in AJ and exploited it.
It was a risky move, which put Ruiz on the canvas for the first time in his career.
But after Ruiz made the count, AJ went back to the well and Ruiz recognising that dealt with it and caught him on the counter. Same to end the fight.
Ruiz's reading of the risks & rewards in the moment was better than AJ's.
Fury has this, Whyte and Parker don't.
In rugby terms, Ruiz is NZ; Fury is Wales; AJ, Whyte & Parker are England; and Wilder is Samoa or Fiji.
A truly bizarre analogy for a guy undefeated in 42 pro fights.
Yeah struggled with that one, but who would he be then?
Unorthodox, with tremendous skill and athleticism who does well against smaller, less athletic opponents but when confronted with a serious challenge struggles.
He should have one loss to his record despite chinning Fury.
I disagree, he knocked Fury down twice, that's hardly struggling.
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
The phrase 'Ring IQ' has come up a lot pre- and post- this bout.
Ruiz's team had recognised a weakness in AJ and exploited it.
It was a risky move, which put Ruiz on the canvas for the first time in his career.
But after Ruiz made the count, AJ went back to the well and Ruiz recognising that dealt with it and caught him on the counter. Same to end the fight.
Ruiz's reading of the risks & rewards in the moment was better than AJ's.
Fury has this, Whyte and Parker don't.
In rugby terms, Ruiz is NZ; Fury is Wales; AJ, Whyte & Parker are England; and Wilder is Samoa or Fiji.
A truly bizarre analogy for a guy undefeated in 42 pro fights.
Yeah struggled with that one, but who would he be then?
Unorthodox, with tremendous skill and athleticism who does well against smaller, less athletic opponents but when confronted with a serious challenge struggles.
He should have one loss to his record despite chinning Fury.
I disagree, he knocked Fury down twice, that's hardly struggling.
Fair enough.
Do you think a draw was the correct result? Or did Wilder do enough to win it?
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@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
The phrase 'Ring IQ' has come up a lot pre- and post- this bout.
Ruiz's team had recognised a weakness in AJ and exploited it.
It was a risky move, which put Ruiz on the canvas for the first time in his career.
But after Ruiz made the count, AJ went back to the well and Ruiz recognising that dealt with it and caught him on the counter. Same to end the fight.
Ruiz's reading of the risks & rewards in the moment was better than AJ's.
Fury has this, Whyte and Parker don't.
In rugby terms, Ruiz is NZ; Fury is Wales; AJ, Whyte & Parker are England; and Wilder is Samoa or Fiji.
A truly bizarre analogy for a guy undefeated in 42 pro fights.
Yeah struggled with that one, but who would he be then?
Unorthodox, with tremendous skill and athleticism who does well against smaller, less athletic opponents but when confronted with a serious challenge struggles.
He should have one loss to his record despite chinning Fury.
I disagree, he knocked Fury down twice, that's hardly struggling.
Fair enough.
Do you think a draw was the correct result? Or did Wilder do enough to win it?
I remember going Wilder at the time, two knockdowns speak for themselves but scroll up a few messages on here and you'll note I admired Furys heart. Still do. Amazing to get up. A rematch will be incredible.
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
The phrase 'Ring IQ' has come up a lot pre- and post- this bout.
Ruiz's team had recognised a weakness in AJ and exploited it.
It was a risky move, which put Ruiz on the canvas for the first time in his career.
But after Ruiz made the count, AJ went back to the well and Ruiz recognising that dealt with it and caught him on the counter. Same to end the fight.
Ruiz's reading of the risks & rewards in the moment was better than AJ's.
Fury has this, Whyte and Parker don't.
In rugby terms, Ruiz is NZ; Fury is Wales; AJ, Whyte & Parker are England; and Wilder is Samoa or Fiji.
A truly bizarre analogy for a guy undefeated in 42 pro fights.
Yeah struggled with that one, but who would he be then?
Unorthodox, with tremendous skill and athleticism who does well against smaller, less athletic opponents but when confronted with a serious challenge struggles.
He should have one loss to his record despite chinning Fury.
I disagree, he knocked Fury down twice, that's hardly struggling.
Fair enough.
Do you think a draw was the correct result? Or did Wilder do enough to win it?
I remember going Wilder at the time, two knockdowns speak for themselves but scroll up a few messages on here and you'll note I admired Furys heart. Still do. Amazing to get up. A rematch will be incredible.
Yes. If it ever happens.
Just went through Wilder's record.
Hasn't really fought anyone of note or fought anyone who's beaten someone of note except Fury.
But I guess that can be said of most of the Heavyweight decision.
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@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
The phrase 'Ring IQ' has come up a lot pre- and post- this bout.
Ruiz's team had recognised a weakness in AJ and exploited it.
It was a risky move, which put Ruiz on the canvas for the first time in his career.
But after Ruiz made the count, AJ went back to the well and Ruiz recognising that dealt with it and caught him on the counter. Same to end the fight.
Ruiz's reading of the risks & rewards in the moment was better than AJ's.
Fury has this, Whyte and Parker don't.
In rugby terms, Ruiz is NZ; Fury is Wales; AJ, Whyte & Parker are England; and Wilder is Samoa or Fiji.
A truly bizarre analogy for a guy undefeated in 42 pro fights.
Yeah struggled with that one, but who would he be then?
Unorthodox, with tremendous skill and athleticism who does well against smaller, less athletic opponents but when confronted with a serious challenge struggles.
He should have one loss to his record despite chinning Fury.
I disagree, he knocked Fury down twice, that's hardly struggling.
Fair enough.
Do you think a draw was the correct result? Or did Wilder do enough to win it?
I remember going Wilder at the time, two knockdowns speak for themselves but scroll up a few messages on here and you'll note I admired Furys heart. Still do. Amazing to get up. A rematch will be incredible.
Just went through Wilder's record.
Hasn't really fought anyone of note or fought anyone who's beaten someone of note except Fury.
I hear that but other fighters are so wary of his power which speaks volumes.
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@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
He's not the champion we all envisioned but Ruiz Jr deserves those belts. He works hard, has lightning hands and real ring ability. This is not Butterbean. This is a 33 and 1 boxer who took Joseph Parker to the cards and many thought Ruiz had won. Parker, love him or hate him was(and still is IMO) a top 5-6 heavyweight. You do not get to a record as the one Ruiz has without being a serious prospect.
It's easy to say so now but it was clearly a mistake to take Ruiz on is such a way. I do not believe AJ's team put in enough homework on Ruiz.
That said these British boxers are a bit chinny. Fury(to a lesser extent but still have long thin neck for a boxer and the glancing blow that got him going down from Wilder was nowhere near one of Wilder's best), Whyte and AJ are all a wee bit vulnerable when one sneaks through. This is heavyweight boxing, they can all knock each other out of course but I think it takes less to get these 3 fighters off their feet.
The phrase 'Ring IQ' has come up a lot pre- and post- this bout.
Ruiz's team had recognised a weakness in AJ and exploited it.
It was a risky move, which put Ruiz on the canvas for the first time in his career.
But after Ruiz made the count, AJ went back to the well and Ruiz recognising that dealt with it and caught him on the counter. Same to end the fight.
Ruiz's reading of the risks & rewards in the moment was better than AJ's.
Fury has this, Whyte and Parker don't.
In rugby terms, Ruiz is NZ; Fury is Wales; AJ, Whyte & Parker are England; and Wilder is Samoa or Fiji.
A truly bizarre analogy for a guy undefeated in 42 pro fights.
Yeah struggled with that one, but who would he be then?
Unorthodox, with tremendous skill and athleticism who does well against smaller, less athletic opponents but when confronted with a serious challenge struggles.
He should have one loss to his record despite chinning Fury.
I disagree, he knocked Fury down twice, that's hardly struggling.
Fair enough.
Do you think a draw was the correct result? Or did Wilder do enough to win it?
I scored it after the fight and had Fury winning by 2 points with the knockdown included ,
I think with Wilder , you throw all conventional shit out the window when judging him,
He isnt going to beat you on points , but can you survive in there without him hitting you ,
Fury fought a brilliant fight , but was within a second or two of being knocked out after all that good work , if he hits him again in the rematch , maybe next time he doesnt get up
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Interesting development.
AJ knocked down/out sparring resulting in concussion in the lead up to the fight
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@MiketheSnow losers excuses no?
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@MajorRage said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow losers excuses no?
TBF it isn't AJs camp that are claiming the 'excuse', they have gone out of their way to deny it.
If true however, all other fighters will now be hoping to get a (cheap) shot in behind the ear and see if AJ has recurring issues.
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@MajorRage said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow losers excuses no?
Who knows?
Certainly didn't look himself before or after the smack in the 3rd.
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rumors have circulated for a while that AJ gets the wobbles up a bit too easily when getting hit in sparring , that has been going around for some time
rumors are rumors , but where there is smoke there is sometimes fire, would not be that surprising if it was true
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There was also a story doing the rounds that JP had an anxiety attack in the dressing room ahead of the fight. Apparently connected to JP's dad blowing up at Hearn after the fight. They also mentioned the knock out in training as part of that... who knows what is legit and what is bullshit - we are talking boxing after all!
