All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Ian Foster explains why Mo'unga wasn't released for Mitre 10 Cup (video in article):
The more and more I hear Foster talk I think we are in good hands going forward after Shag.
Ahhhhhhhhh!
Foster talked up a storm for the Chiefs too. He's a likeable man, who knows a lot about rugby.
What he couldn't do was sustain good performances in his teams. Something was wrong with the way he mentally prepared them. The Chiefs were fragile, even when winning.
Also he couldn't sack his favourites. Promising players who were promoted but didn't deliver (de Malmanche, say) were never dropped.
He's not a terrible coach, but we have better options.
Please don't compare those swamp rats from the Waikato to the AB environment thats like comparing a zephar to a procshe
We're talking Chiefs, not Waikato.
The year after Foster left, the Chiefs team won the Super Rugby competition. So perhaps it wasn't the environment after all.
If Foster is head coach of the ABs, expect the same. Some good wins punctuated by inexplicable losses. Good stretches followed by terrible ones. I do not miss the Jon Mitchell or John Hart eras, and do not want it repeated. They both talked a good game too.
The quality of players will only ensure wins if the selector picks the best players in the first place, and motivates them correctly.
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Ian Foster explains why Mo'unga wasn't released for Mitre 10 Cup (video in article):
The more and more I hear Foster talk I think we are in good hands going forward after Shag.
Ahhhhhhhhh!
Foster talked up a storm for the Chiefs too. He's a likeable man, who knows a lot about rugby.
What he couldn't do was sustain good performances in his teams. Something was wrong with the way he mentally prepared them. The Chiefs were fragile, even when winning.
Also he couldn't sack his favourites. Promising players who were promoted but didn't deliver (de Malmanche, say) were never dropped.
He's not a terrible coach, but we have better options.
Please don't compare those swamp rats from the Waikato to the AB environment thats like comparing a zephar to a procshe
We're talking Chiefs, not Waikato.
The year after Foster left, the Chiefs team won the Super Rugby competition. So perhaps it wasn't the environment after all.
If Foster is head coach of the ABs, expect the same. Some good wins punctuated by inexplicable losses. Good stretches followed by terrible ones. I do not miss the Jon Mitchell or John Hart eras, and do not want it repeated. They both talked a good game too.
The quality of players will only ensure wins if the selector picks the best players in the first place, and motivates them correctly.
Didn't John Mitchell have quite a good strike rate for the AB's? Third best after Hansen and Ted?
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@machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
He was kicked for being a grumpy twat, esp with the press, not poor coaching/results.
I don't believe his coaching didn't play a part in it, we folded like a cheap suit in a game we should have won. Plus, any fool could see he didn't have a plan of his own, he rolled out the 02 Crusaders game plan in his first year and the 03 Blues in his second.
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@machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
He was kicked for being a grumpy twat, esp with the press, not poor coaching/results.
The All Blacks have had some magnificently surly coaches in their time. I still struggle to believe the real reason for his demotion was issues about that.
A couple of turns with a PR specialist, and a desire to do better could have got Cueball to the point where he was acceptable.
He's had the chop from a few teams now, and it hasn't been about PR.
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I actually think the main reason he got tinned was the availability of Graham Henry.
The AB's played some seriously attractive rugby under Mitchell, gained back the Bled after a 5 year hiatus and put 50 points on both Aus / SA in consecutive weekends. We were then undone by an obsessive opposition coach who studied the shit out of us and worked out a gameplan to beat us in a knockout competition. The week after that, a slightly different game plan almost won a rugby world cup.
Not enough credit is given to Mitchell for what he achieved as coach of the AB's and also to Eddie Jones, for what he achieved with Australia in 2003.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I actually think the main reason he got tinned was the availability of Graham Henry.
We were then undone by an obsessive opposition coach who studied the shit out of us and worked out a gameplan to beat us in a knockout competition.
I think mor ethe second than the first.
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Mitchell was dropped because he was a pain towards public, sponsors and his employers, and in the end a failure to achieve his main goal.
In retrospect was happy to see the back of him frankly. And I was a huge defender of him during his tenure. Just so divisive.
He's never really achieved much since. Or before when you think about it.
Did play against him. 94 3v4 club play off (Elimination Final?) for Putaruru v Fraser Tech and by fuck he was good. Pretty much the difference in the game. So quick in what he did.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Mitchell was dropped because he was a pain towards public, sponsors and his employers, and in the end a failure to achieve his main goal.
In retrospect was happy to see the back of him frankly. And I was a huge defender of him during his tenure. Just so divisive.
He's never really achieved much since. Or before when you think about it.
Did play against him. 94 3v4 club play off (Elimination Final?) for Putaruru v Fraser Tech and by fuck he was good. Pretty much the difference in the game. So quick in what he did.
I hated him, he was a loon from the beginning. He got promoted before he was anywhere near ready on the basis of one year with the Chiefs. When we were had those big wins that @MajorRage mentioned you could tell he'd just taken the Blues gameplan after playing near 10 man rugby the year before. (But, as I've mentioned many times he forgot that you need forward dominance to play that style).
As I thought he was a conman early on I called our exit from the RWC in 2003.
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From an outsiders POV it looked like he was trying to stamp his own mark on the thing with some curious selection decisions. If they don't come off and you lose something big, then repercussions would not be much of a surprise.
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Mitchell got lost on his journey.
I remember him trying to convince a sceptic press corps that Joe McDonnell was an explosive prop with massive potential.
He made some stupid selection decisions for his RWC squad. Ben Atiga? Really?
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Mitchell got lost on his journey.
I remember him trying to convince a sceptic press corps that Joe McDonnell was an explosive prop with massive potential.
He made some stupid selection decisions for his RWC squad. Ben Atiga? Really?
Every coach has made “stupid” selections (from a fans perspective). Look at Hansen, we have a guy starting a test tomorrow at blindside that has hardly played any Super rugby.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Mitchell got lost on his journey.
I remember him trying to convince a sceptic press corps that Joe McDonnell was an explosive prop with massive potential.
He made some stupid selection decisions for his RWC squad. Ben Atiga? Really?
Every coach has made “stupid” selections (from a fans perspective). Look at Hansen, we have a guy starting a test tomorrow at blindside that has hardly played any Super rugby.
Hansen may yet be right, difficult as that seems now.
There's also the quantity of dodgy decisions. Hansen's good to bad ratio is high. Mitchell's was much lower, at least IMO.
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From the outside looking in , the selection of the squad in 03 appeared to be based around his starting 15 ,
And little thought for what if we lost players through injury
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
He was kicked for being a grumpy twat, esp with the press, not poor coaching/results.
I don't believe his coaching didn't play a part in it, we folded like a cheap suit in a game we should have won. Plus, any fool could see he didn't have a plan of his own, he rolled out the 02 Crusaders game plan in his first year and the 03 Blues in his second.
Shouldn’t the All Blacks win every game?
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Mitchell got lost on his journey.
I remember him trying to convince a sceptic press corps that Joe McDonnell was an explosive prop with massive potential.
He made some stupid selection decisions for his RWC squad. Ben Atiga? Really?
He chose Richie McCaw and Dan Carter though. I'm no expert but I think those two did ok.
