World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017
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@crucial said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
It comes down to the player that had the biggest impact on the game in the year. DC won on the basis of one brilliant performance at a very key time at a very high level.
I doubt there is in depth analysis of all games played.In a non RWC year it does become a reward for the biggest name though. eg this year all of the NH comments about BB were around him being a great player. They just had to have the previous year pointed out to them to notice.
For that reason I was surprised a Lion didn't get it just because that was by far the most prominent stage this year. Beauden's best test (but not spectacular) was probably Lions Test 1 though so perhaps that worked in his favour.
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guess this could go in here...sort of an award
a few things stood out for me:
Woodman is the only women's player to make the 2017 team of the year judged by respected rugby website Planet Rugby.
and then how 'respected' PR under-rates BBBR by naming Itoje ahead of him...
The Planet Rugby XV for 2017:
15 Stuart Hogg (British & Irish Lions, Scotland and Glasgow), 14 Portia Woodman (New Zealand women), 13 Jonathan Davies (British & Irish Lions, Wales and Scarlets, 12 Owen Farrell (British & Irish Lions, England and Saracens, 11 Rieko Ioane (New Zealand and Blues), 10 Beauden Barrett (New Zealand and Hurricanes), 9 Conor Murray (British & Irish Lions, Ireland and Munster), 8 Kieran Read (New Zealand and Crusaders), 7 Sam Cane (New Zealand and Chiefs), 6 Siya Kolisi (South Africa and Stormers), 5 Sam Whitelock (New Zealand and Crusaders), 4 Maro Itoje (British & Irish Lions, England and Saracens), 3 Tadhg Furlong (British & Irish Lions, Ireland and Leinster), 2 Malcolm Marx (South Africa and Lions), 1 Mako Vunipola (British & Irish Lions, England and Saracens).
one of the comments was amusing and apt...
Its like putting the strongest antelope between a pride of lions.. even though the antelope is still the best among its peers, the lions will eat it up.
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The "What The F#ck Is A Disectomy" Award 2017:
Kieran Read"[P]rofessional opinion of Dr Rodney Gordon, the President of the New Zealand Spine Society and an orthopedic spinal surgeon at Middlemore Hospital, who said the 32-year-old Read was now probably in "damage control"."
Jesuschrist, wtf does that mean?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11960767
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@salacious-crumb said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
Jesuschrist, wtf does that mean?
It's quite clear:
"should alleviate his chronic leg pain and lead to a quick recovery but it's not necessarily a quick fix and his damaged disc could provide problems in the future."
"That is the professional opinion of Dr Rodney Gordon".Who should go into politics because he hasn't really said anything.
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@salacious-crumb said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
"should... not necessarily... could... in the future."
Thanks doc.
Good isn't he?
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so a quick recovery is not necessarily a quick fix...
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@salacious-crumb said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
The "What The F#ck Is A Disectomy" Award 2017:
Kieran Read"[P]rofessional opinion of Dr Rodney Gordon, the President of the New Zealand Spine Society and an orthopedic spinal surgeon at Middlemore Hospital, who said the 32-year-old Read was now probably in "damage control"."
Jesuschrist, wtf does that mean?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11960767
Was that a disectomy ... or a discectomy?
I suspect that latter refers to trimming a disc so it doesnt press on and restrict the sciatic nerve.
A disectomy ... i hate to think.
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It may only be a team from PR but great to see Portia Woodman selected in the World XV of the year
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really dont see the point of this...this time a form nz xv...men and women...may as well include age group and schoolboy stuff too.
http://www.allblacks.com/News/31891/the-2017-new-zealand-form-xv
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@taniwharugby I have no problem with it whatsoever. It's a form XV, so based on performance against peers. It's not about who would beat who in a one on one contest. In a form XV you can take confounding factors like hormonal differences, differences in lean muscle mass v water v fat mass ratio etc out of the equation. If you don't remove those factors, you can't even compare Super Rugby players (especially All Blacks) with Mitre 10 Cup players without Super Rugby experience, because of their difference in experience and Mitre 10 Cup players never having had to compete with SR players. For ex, Ennor never having competed against Crotty or ALB. Indeed, they could have included schoolboys.
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@stargazer this xv is debatable as it is, let alone debating players that arent even the same gender...at least in most cases those in a all male side have at least come up against one another at some point
Just more PC BS IMO.
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@taniwharugby Has nothing to do with being PC in my opinion. I agree some spots are debatable, but I think they're spot on with Cocksedge and Woodman. In your reasoning, there could never be one award for men and women in sport. I guess you also have a problem with the Black Ferns being elected team of the year then?
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@stargazer no I dont...how is that even comparable, you are trying to put words in my mouth?
That award has nothign to do with gender, it is about the best 'team'
I think it is PC, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
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@crucial said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
I thought the selection was fine. It isn't meant t be an Earth vs Mars selection, it is recognition for the best performance in each position irrespective of gender.
....and we live in a world where it's very dangerous to assume one way or another.
