World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017
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It may only be a team from PR but great to see Portia Woodman selected in the World XV of the year
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really dont see the point of this...this time a form nz xv...men and women...may as well include age group and schoolboy stuff too.
http://www.allblacks.com/News/31891/the-2017-new-zealand-form-xv
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@taniwharugby I have no problem with it whatsoever. It's a form XV, so based on performance against peers. It's not about who would beat who in a one on one contest. In a form XV you can take confounding factors like hormonal differences, differences in lean muscle mass v water v fat mass ratio etc out of the equation. If you don't remove those factors, you can't even compare Super Rugby players (especially All Blacks) with Mitre 10 Cup players without Super Rugby experience, because of their difference in experience and Mitre 10 Cup players never having had to compete with SR players. For ex, Ennor never having competed against Crotty or ALB. Indeed, they could have included schoolboys.
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@stargazer this xv is debatable as it is, let alone debating players that arent even the same gender...at least in most cases those in a all male side have at least come up against one another at some point
Just more PC BS IMO.
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@taniwharugby Has nothing to do with being PC in my opinion. I agree some spots are debatable, but I think they're spot on with Cocksedge and Woodman. In your reasoning, there could never be one award for men and women in sport. I guess you also have a problem with the Black Ferns being elected team of the year then?
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@stargazer no I dont...how is that even comparable, you are trying to put words in my mouth?
That award has nothign to do with gender, it is about the best 'team'
I think it is PC, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
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@crucial said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
I thought the selection was fine. It isn't meant t be an Earth vs Mars selection, it is recognition for the best performance in each position irrespective of gender.
....and we live in a world where it's very dangerous to assume one way or another.
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So the finalists are confirmed.
Both men’s and women’s seem light to me ( especially the men’s) I guess yachting felt it was unfair to single out a particular member but to me Burling would have been a strong chance to win.
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Hallberg Awards Finalists
Just to add the full list of finalists (copied from the Hallberg website in its original order; don't know why NZH changed it):
Sportswoman of the year (Eligible for the supreme Halberg Award)
Lisa Carrington (canoe racing), Lydia Ko (golf), Portia Woodman (rugby), Sarah Goss (rugby).Sportsman of the year (Eligible for the supreme Halberg Award)
Beauden Barrett (rugby), Brendan Hartley (motor sport), Ross Taylor (cricket), Tom Walsh (athletics).Disabled sportsperson of the year (Eligible for the supreme Halberg Award)
Corey Peters (para alpine skiing), Holly Robinson (para athletics), Sophie Pascoe (para swimming), William Stedman (para athletics).Sports team of the year (Eligible for the supreme Halberg Award)
Black Ferns (rugby), Black Sox (softball), Team New Zealand (yachting), women's K2 canoe (Lisa Carrington and Caitlin Ryan).Coach of the year:
Gary Hay (rowing), Glenn Moore (rugby), Gordopn Walker (canoe racing), Mark Sorenson (softball).Emerging Talent finalists:
Ellesse Andrews (cycling), Josh Armit (yachting), Matthew MacDonald (rowing), Nico Porteous (freeskiing).The Halberg Awards judges comprised of sports journalists, former athletes and coaches who selected the finalists. The winners will be presented at the 55th Halberg Awards ceremony on Thursday 8 February 2018 at Spark Arena in Auckland and televised live on SKY SPORT. Other awards presented during the ceremony include; New Zealand’s Favourite Sporting Moment (public vote category), Sport New Zealand Leadership, Lifetime Achievement and inductees into the Sports Hall of Fame. -
Barrett? haha hilarious
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@stargazer said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
Hallberg Awards Finalists
Just to add the full list of finalists (copied from the Hallberg website in its original order; don't know why NZH changed it):
Sportswoman of the year:
Lisa Carrington (canoe racing), Lydia Ko (golf), Portia Woodman (rugby), Sarah Goss (rugby).Sportsman of the year:
Beauden Barrett (rugby), Brendan Hartley (motor sport), Ross Taylor (cricket), Tom Walsh (athletics).Disabled sportsperson of the year:
Corey Peters (para alpine skiing), Holly Robinson (para athletics), Sophie Pascoe (para swimming), William Stedman (para athletics).Sports team of the year:
Black Ferns (rugby), Black Sox (softball), Team New Zealand (yachting), women's K2 canoe (Lisa Carrington and Caitlin Ryan).Coach of the year:
Gary Hay (rowing), Glenn Moore (rugby), Gordopn Walker (canoe racing), Mark Sorenson (softball).Emerging Talent finalists:
Ellesse Andrews (cycling), Josh Armit (yachting), Matthew MacDonald (rowing), Nico Porteous (freeskiing).I hope Luteru does it. Always good to see him emerge from Kanes shadow.
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@stargazer said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
Disabled sportsperson of the year (Eligible for the supreme Halberg Award)
Corey Peters (para alpine skiing), Holly Robinson (para athletics), Sophie Pascoe (para swimming), William Stedman (para athletics).Want to be treated the same, give me a special prize no one else is eligible for.
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@antipodean said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
@stargazer said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
Disabled sportsperson of the year (Eligible for the supreme Halberg Award)
Corey Peters (para alpine skiing), Holly Robinson (para athletics), Sophie Pascoe (para swimming), William Stedman (para athletics).Want to be treated the same, give me a special prize no one else is eligible for.
This one is actually relevant on this occasion.
The awards are the major fundraising event for Sir Murray’s charity - the Halberg Disability Sport Foundation.
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The full list of Hallberg Sporting Moment of the Year finalists have been announced:
- Martin Guptill smashes 11 sixes to give the Blackcaps a seven wicket ODI win. (Blackcaps vs. South Africa, Hamilton)
- Mitchell Hunt drops a stunning last minute drop goal securing the win for the Crusaders during the Super Rugby season. (Crusaders vs. Highlanders, Christchurch)
- Michael Venus wins the French Open men’s doubles final to become the first New Zealand male Grand Slam champion since 1974. (French Open, Paris)
- Black Ferns Sevens win the World Rugby Women’s Sevens Series. (Black Ferns Sevens vs. Australia, Clermont-Ferrand)
- Emirates Team New Zealand win the America’s Cup.(Emirates Team New Zealand vs. Oracle Team USA, Bermuda)
- Brendon Hartley and Earl Bamber – win the Le Mans 24 hour race.(Le Mans, France)
- Black Sox win the World Softball Championships title for the seventh time. (Black Sox vs. Australia, Canada)
- Tom Walsh wins the shot put gold medal to become the first New Zealand male to win an IAAF track and field championship. (IAFF World Track and Field Championships, London)
- Black Ferns win the Women’s Rugby World Cup for the fifth time. (Black Ferns vs. England, Belfast)
- Lisa Carrington wins the K1 200m gold medal for the fifth time at the World Canoe Sprint Championships.(World Canoe Sprint Championships, Czech Republic)
- Ross Taylor achieves a record equalling 17 test centuries with the Blackcaps in the second test against the West Indies. (Blackcaps vs. West Indies, Hamilton)
Strange list. Very difficult to compare some of these "moments" with each other. I mean, Mitchell Hunt's drop-kick was an awesome nerves-of-steel kind of game winner, but relatively minor compared to - sticking to rugby - winning a World Sevens Series or a World Cup.
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@crucial said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
@antipodean said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
@stargazer said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
Disabled sportsperson of the year (Eligible for the supreme Halberg Award)
Corey Peters (para alpine skiing), Holly Robinson (para athletics), Sophie Pascoe (para swimming), William Stedman (para athletics).Want to be treated the same, give me a special prize no one else is eligible for.
This one is actually relevant on this occasion.
The awards are the major fundraising event for Sir Murray’s charity - the Halberg Disability Sport Foundation.
It's just a joke.
