B&I Lions 2017
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@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
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@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
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@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
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@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
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@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
A dose of resigned reality and fans getting their silver lining lined up ahead of time?
In the last 4 Lions tours Scotland have had a grand total of 11 players selected.One of the more successful Lions tours to NZ (93) had a very good Scots contingent though so maybe Gatland will be missing a trick if he focuses on those south of the wall and across the Irish sea
Aside from the Hastings brothers, the Scots that toured in 93 were pretty much a let down. Though Andy Nichol did OK as a replacement. The tight 5 forwards were an embarrassment.
Ah, but it's all about the intangibles that the Scots bring to the touring group, not the playing abilities
Joking aside there is probably a little truth in this. Not sure if you have been to the shaky isles but Scots would feel far more comfortable here than the English. We have a more similar connection in attitudes, habits etc.
I know I feel more 'at home' when in Scotland than in England despite having a pommy mother and having spent more time living in England than Scotland.It's cos Scots are awesome and the English are fluffybunnies
We all know that. I was trying to explain that to @Catogrande nicely.
But thanks for cutting to the chase.
I can read between the lines thank you. The bile probably stems from a couple of hundred years ago when the English were rampaging through Scotland, raping and pillaging. They got to MN5's folks place, turned their noses up at the tin ornaments and to a man refused to rape his great, great grandma due to her being a munter. These chippy Jocks don't forget an insult like that.
She woulda offered them the finest oatcakes and shortbread too.
To which they all cried 'I don't eat none of that foreign muck, where's me proppa grub? I want chips'
....only after popping into Bradford for a curry
Is that a euphemism for getting a
venereal diseaseBadge of honour?Fixed.
Would you like chutney with that?
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@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
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@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
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@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
A dose of resigned reality and fans getting their silver lining lined up ahead of time?
In the last 4 Lions tours Scotland have had a grand total of 11 players selected.One of the more successful Lions tours to NZ (93) had a very good Scots contingent though so maybe Gatland will be missing a trick if he focuses on those south of the wall and across the Irish sea
Aside from the Hastings brothers, the Scots that toured in 93 were pretty much a let down. Though Andy Nichol did OK as a replacement. The tight 5 forwards were an embarrassment.
Ah, but it's all about the intangibles that the Scots bring to the touring group, not the playing abilities
Joking aside there is probably a little truth in this. Not sure if you have been to the shaky isles but Scots would feel far more comfortable here than the English. We have a more similar connection in attitudes, habits etc.
I know I feel more 'at home' when in Scotland than in England despite having a pommy mother and having spent more time living in England than Scotland.It's cos Scots are awesome and the English are fluffybunnies
We all know that. I was trying to explain that to @Catogrande nicely.
But thanks for cutting to the chase.
I can read between the lines thank you. The bile probably stems from a couple of hundred years ago when the English were rampaging through Scotland, raping and pillaging. They got to MN5's folks place, turned their noses up at the tin ornaments and to a man refused to rape his great, great grandma due to her being a munter. These chippy Jocks don't forget an insult like that.
She woulda offered them the finest oatcakes and shortbread too.
Even more embarrassing that it wasn't enough to tip the balance.
Give her a break. They didn't all look like the chick who played William Wallace's wife in Braveheart.
No wonder, she's English/Irish
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@infidel said in B&I Lions 2017:
Warburton out for six weeks with knee injury.
Bugger.
This is going to make both the captaincy and selection interesting though.
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@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@infidel said in B&I Lions 2017:
Warburton out for six weeks with knee injury.
Bugger.
This is going to make both the captaincy and selection interesting though.
Screws up many of those pundit selections as well.
I really can't see the other tourists accepting Hartley as any other than the midweek captain (IMO he doesn't get a starting spot in the test side).
AWJ is under an injury cloud as well isn't he?
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@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@infidel said in B&I Lions 2017:
Warburton out for six weeks with knee injury.
Bugger.
This is going to make both the captaincy and selection interesting though.
Danny Wilson not that worried
"Wales' Sam Warburton has been ruled out for the rest of the domestic season after suffering a medial knee ligament injury against Ulster on 7 April.
But the Cardiff Blues flanker is likely to be fit for the British and Irish Lions tour of New Zealand in June.
Lions head coach Warren Gatland names his tour party on 19 April, with Warburton tipped to be captain.
"Sam has a low grade strain which will put him out for approximately six weeks," said Blues coach Danny Wilson.
"It won't interfere with the Lions.
"If we were fortunate enough to make the second European [Champions Cup qualifying] play-off game, we would envisage him being available for that.
"So he shouldn't have any problems regarding the Lions."
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@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@infidel said in B&I Lions 2017:
Warburton out for six weeks with knee injury.
Bugger.
This is going to make both the captaincy and selection interesting though.
Screws up many of those pundit selections as well.
I really can't see the other tourists accepting Hartley as any other than the midweek captain (IMO he doesn't get a starting spot in the test side).
AWJ is under an injury cloud as well isn't he?
Yeah, there's not really a stand out captain at all. Both AWJ and Warburton, if fit, would no doubt do a good job but (IMO) neither is nailed down for a test spot. In all honesty I don't see that many that are nailed on just yet. Plenty are good enough to be but are in positions of strength and depth.
Of the national captains I don't really see either Laidlaw or Best as being the top choice in their positions and poor old Best has the baggage of having a very poor tour last time out. Hartley should probably be second choice at best for England now, let alone the Lions and let's face it, he's not intelligent enough of a player and has the additional baggage of being born a Kiwi and having a notoriously short fuse, neither of which is a plus point in a tour to NZ.
So, perhaps a bolter as skipper? Unlikely with Gatland - he knows what he likes and he likes what he knows. But, but if there was to be a bolter I would lay down the name Itoje (cue howls of derision).
No, he's not nailed on as a starter but he IS in many people's test side. He has very good captaincy credentials with England at under 20 and is an intelligent player as well as an 80 minute player. As has been stated on here previously though, he needs to keep the high tackles and niggle in check.
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@MiketheSnow Woodward got slated just for taking a recently injured Wilkinson on tour in 2005. Can Gatland risk naming a guy as skipper who is out injured? Even if he ought to be fit in time to travel?
Big call if so.
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I think Tadgh Furlong should be the captain.
He's in 99.5% of everyone's squads and he'd keep the captaining/media duties to a minimum.
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@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
I think Tadgh Furlong should be the captain.
He's in 99.5% of everyone's squads and he'd keep the captaining/media duties to a minimum.
Would he be able to talk to a referee rather than grunt though?
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@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
So, perhaps a bolter as skipper? Unlikely with Gatland - he knows what he likes and he likes what he knows. But, but if there was to be a bolter I would lay down the name Itoje (cue howls of derision).
No, he's not nailed on as a starter but he IS in many people's test side. He has very good captaincy credentials with England at under 20 and is an intelligent player as well as an 80 minute player. As has been stated on here previously though, he needs to keep the high tackles and niggle in check.
For Itoje's sake this is not the case unless you want to end the poor chaps career. The tour and specifically the British media could eat him alive.
Calls for a leadership group are solid and in this day and age the only solution. From there you need to select a day game captain who the extra workload and press effects the least - only Gats would have an idea who that is but almost certainly not Itoje.
You don't really want Warburton shouldering the additional workload of captaincy if he has additional rehab and physio nursing an injury to be in peak condition.
Been seeing a bit of a late push for Conor Murray. That would be attractive to me given the current options, giving the captaincy to someone who has to be substituted in the modern game means you can give one of these guys a spell too, but if they don't warrant selection in the second test based on performance there won't be a media shit storm when they are dropped.
If in doubt go the halfback.
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@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@rotated Murray is not a bad call.
And he's not British so the British media could have a field day, have a row with Irish media and everyone forgets about the Lions. Genius!
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@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
I think Tadgh Furlong should be the captain.
He's in 99.5% of everyone's squads and he'd keep the captaining/media duties to a minimum.
Would he be able to talk to a referee rather than grunt though?
I think he'd regard that as optional.
It would make for interesting media interviews though - can you tell us about your approach to the first test, Tadgh?
No.
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@rotated said in B&I Lions 2017:
Been seeing a bit of a late push for Conor Murray. That would be attractive to me given the current options, giving the captaincy to someone who has to be substituted in the modern game means you can give one of these guys a spell too,
Even some of the pundits pushing for AWJ as the captain are saying he would still be substituted.
Is Murray guaranteed to start? The advantage is that you would have an Irish 9-10 combo if Sexton is at 1st 5 but, again, a lot think Webb will start and Murray comes off the bench.
Farrell might be as close to a certainty as any player. Does he have any captaincy experience for Saracens?
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Isn't Gatland on record as saying he thinks AWJ is too much heart, not enough head for a captain, or something like that?
Far from assured his Test place too, for me.
Murray is an interesting call, has he captained much before?
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@Bovidae said in B&I Lions 2017:
@rotated said in B&I Lions 2017:
Been seeing a bit of a late push for Conor Murray. That would be attractive to me given the current options, giving the captaincy to someone who has to be substituted in the modern game means you can give one of these guys a spell too,
Even some of the pundits pushing for AWJ as the captain are saying he would still be substituted.
Is Murray guaranteed to start? The advantage is that you would have an Irish 9-10 combo if Sexton is at 1st 5 but, again, a lot think Webb will start and Murray comes off the bench.
Farrell might be as close to a certainty as any player. Does he have any captaincy experience for Saracens?
I think at the moment Murray is as close to a dead cert to start as there can be. Webb has been playing very well but brings an awful lot of niggle and unnecessary penalties. This is a shame as he has pretty good service and is always a running threat too.
I'm not sure if Farrell has much captaincy experience although he has been touted as the England captain in waiting. I'm not so sure. I don't think I've seen enough from him as a communicator to see him as skipper material just yet. Sure he can boss a game and leads by example - just not always a good example.
