Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.

Tim

<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11701192'>Steve Hansen denies meeting with referee</a> 

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Hansen, who joked this morning that he was "shattered" by Cheika's accusation, said the meeting simply didn't happen. 
"It's quite sad that that's come out because it's not true," he said. "Unless you [mean I said], 'gidday Romain' in the morning because he stayed here at this hotel. I did have a meeting with [assistant referee] Jaco Peyper this week and talked to him at his request with Crono [All Blacks forwards coach Mike Cron] about some of the stuff that he had seen in our game. 
"I'm a firm believer that we're here to support the referees. It's a difficult game to ref so why wouldn't you have a meeting, but I certainly didn't have a meeting with Romain Poite. We don't meet the ref, we haven't for 18 to 24 months because it's just a waste of time." 
Asked where he thought Cheika, who was angry at Poite's performance in the test at Westpac Stadium, and particularly at his alleged refusal to engage with Wallabies skipper Stephen Moore, got the information, Hansen said: "I'm not sure, you'd have to ask Mr Cheika." 
Asked if he was "upset"at the allegation, Hansen said: "Oh, terribly. Terribly. Shattered. We've got to be able to talk about something better than that, surely."
 
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Another issue which may upset Cheika further is the fact that prop Owen Franks has escaped a citing from Sanzaar after footage appeared showing his hand coming into contact with lock Kane Douglas's face in a maul. Cheika suggested it was an obvious foul play incident. 
"I've seen the footage and I agree with the independent person who said there is nothing to answer for," Hansen said. "You've got to be really really careful until you see all the views. Social media, I think, were the people who alerted everyone to it and they certainly don't get all the views. 
"There's a process and that process has been followed. 
"In the same game you can go to two or three lineouts where they're driving and the same thing happened. It's an unfortunate byproduct, I think, of mauling, because the only way you can get there is by clambering over the top and then that creates a response. 
"People try to pull them out of the way and the only thing they can use is the head area. We'll look at that and try to ensure we don't go to that area because it creates a problem but if there's no case to answer there's no case to answer."
 
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reprobate

shit eh, i was sure he'd get time off for that. i doubt that his intent was to harm, but he deliberately went near the eyes and he should be done for it.

KiwiPie

1. The aggro looked to be a deliberate plan by the Wallabies, presumably to distract the ABs from their game. I think it worked to some degree.
2. ABs made their usual mistake of throwing hot potatoes wide with a defence rushing up. Once they started to go forward closer to the ruck, there was some space out wide.
3. Scrums were a schemozzle - hate it when refs start throwing our penalties and free kicks without the packs actually doing anything. Just encourages both teams to try and milk it.
4. Watching Mitre 10 Cup and then this game really highlights that with the current laws, some refs just let players get away with anything. There was all sorts of people of their feet, coming in from the side which the ref was happy to let go.
5. Sam Cane is first choice number 7.
6. Cruden with a grubber 5 metres out - no, no, no, just hold onto the ball and wait for the pressure to tell.

Frank

Wonder if McKenzie might be the better long term impact player than Cruden.

Rancid Schnitzel

The aggro looked to be a deliberate plan by the Wallabies, presumably to distract the ABs from their game. I think it worked to some degree.
ABs made their usual mistake of throwing hot potatoes wide with a defence rushing up. Once they started to go forward closer to the ruck, there was some space out wide.
Scrums were a schemozzle - hate it when refs start throwing our penalties and free kicks without the packs actually doing anything. Just encourages both teams to try and milk it.
Watching Mitre 10 Cup and then this game really highlights that with the current laws, some refs just let players get away with anything. There was all sorts of people of their feet, coming in from the side which the ref was happy to let go.
Sam Cane is first choice number 7.
Cruden with a grubber 5 metres out - no, no, no, just hold onto the ball and wait for the pressure to tell.</blockquote>
 
Twas Cruden was it? If I had a cat, I would have kicked it. 
Frank: Agree, Cruden either starts or is out. He isn't an impact sub. McKenzie could be.

pukunui

Yeah, attacking kicks definitely have a place but that grubber from Cruden was a shit low percentage play. 
I don't mind Cruden being on the bench as 10 cover but i don't think they should be using him as an impact sub unless things need to be changed up dramatically. If Barrett is going well the he should play 80 at 10.

akan004

Cruden's little chip kicks annoy me no end. We were three metres out from their line after the quick tap from TJ and he decides to chip on the first phase. Patience and phase play would have eventually broken them. Did the same last week as well.

mariner4life

Yea, cruden was the only one doing rushed, stupid shit...

Rancid Schnitzel

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Yea, cruden was the only one doing rushed, stupid shit...</blockquote>
 
Just focus on tits. Tits, vag and arse. 
You'll get through this, I know you will.

Tim

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">"In my humble opinion there's not much point having a crack at the refs. You've got to be consistent and careful when you do that sort of thing," Hansen said. "He didn't have a crack at the ref in [the] Scotland [match] in the World Cup. I know he was upset the ref didn't talk to Stephen but if I was in their shoes I'd be wanting to ask myself: 'what is it we're doing that's making him not want to talk to Stephen?' If you listen to the commentary, you've got to pick your moments. The best captains in the world pick their moments, they don't try and talk to them about everything. They just pick their moments. If I was in their shoes maybe that's what I'd be having a look at instead of having a crack at the ref."</blockquote>

taniwharugby

haha too good not to share....
 
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jegga

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Just focus on tits. Tits, vag and arse. 
You'll get through this, I know you will.</blockquote>
 
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Nepia

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Cruden's little chip kicks annoy me no end. We were three metres out from their line after the quick tap from TJ and he decides to chip on the first phase. Patience and phase play would have eventually broken them. Did the same last week as well.
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The one that nearly resulted in a try to fatty Savea?
 
Cruden was fine as an impact sub last week and it wasn't like he was terrible this week, the dumb kick aside (maybe he thought we were in line for another advantage). At any rate, we were spoilt having Barrett previously because 'back then' he wasn't the complete 10 he is now but he was an awesome sub and if need be we could play him 78 minutes at 10 and he'd be competent. Now that he's the starter we need an actual back up 10, because we can't play McKenzie as a 10 for 78 minutes because he's not good enough yet. It has to be Cruden (or Sopoaga) on the bench when Barrett starts because we need a 10.
 
Do we have yellow cards? Because Marty needs one for re-quoting the Ratpoo link 3 times!

Tim

"Shiggins" is pure comedy over at that G&GR site.

Tim

Some of the whinging is just italian chef kisses fingertips
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Remember the scrum analysis in the RWC that made headlines all over the world? 
Yeah, I'm tempted to do a similar analysis on refereeing mistakes in All Blacks / Wallabies games for the last 6-12 months or so. 
Theres enough footage to put together a 10 part documentary series of 10 minute long videos each. 
Its an absolute fucking travesty. Shiggins keep these videos coming.
 
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Nepia

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"Shiggins" is pure comedy over at that G&GR site.
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I thought it was going to be Higgins trolling as Shiggins but it appears that it's Kearns' user name.

NTA

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haha too good not to share....
 
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Couldn't get them high enough to put in a tree.
 
Moore's throwing action showing real effort of late - using his whole body instead of just locking the core and letting the elbows and wrists do the work.

NTA

Dunno if its been covered, but Franks apparently doesn't have a case to answer based on the footage available. So some of those other angles must have been OK.
 
It doesn't actually look like an eye gouge, more just an annoying "facial". Douglas is pretty much ignoring it, even though it was Franks' second go at his head Franks sees the ref pointing at him and gets off.
 
As Hansen said afterwards: you're going to get a few of those happen at maul time. Some by accident as players come together.
 
 
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reprobate

doesn't matter in my opinion nick, he deliberately and repeatedly went the face. i don't think the (presumably) long-term sanction for a deliberate eye gouge should apply, but regardless of exactly what he is trying to do that is dangerous, and he should be sat out on that basis.

jegga

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tim" data-cid="610066" data-time="1472358804">
Some of the whinging is just italian chef kisses fingertips</blockquote>
 
Is Shiggens the drama queen that used to make the McCaw videos? Listening to his whining nasal voiceover after a victory was music to my ears .

The Silver Fern

Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.