Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)
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The coaching team appear to be avoiding selecting guys based on only one season. It's a tough policy but considering the amount of talent available, it makes sense.<br><br>
Dixon is a good example, he was probably the NZ Super rugby forward of the year in 2015. That wasn't enough though. They asked him to perform again the next year, he did that and they selected him.<br><br>
It's not like guys haven't been rewarded though. Barrett and Perenara have both jumped in the pecking order. I bet Fifita and Fatialofa weren't even on the pecking order previously, they will be now. -
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<p>yeah , not here I dont think , but in media etc, they won super rugby , forward pack went really well , no ABs selected </p> -
Watched an old Bledisloe test the other night and couldn't believe my eyes when I saw on the park: <br><br>
Woodcock, Mealamu, Ali Williams, McAlister, Toeava, Howlett, Rokocoko, Muliaina <br><br>
I thought surely not 8 players from the Blues playing under Henry in a 2006 Bledisloe. How the hell did he sneak that many in when the Crusaders won the title. Criminal that such biased selection could infiltrate the national side. <br><br>
Perhaps a human night for the Knighted one. <br><br>
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<p>The coaching team appear to be avoiding selecting guys based on only one season. It's a tough policy but considering the amount of talent available, it makes sense.<br><br>
Dixon is a good example, he was probably the NZ Super rugby forward of the year in 2015. That wasn't enough though. They asked him to perform again the next year, he did that and they selected him.<br><br>
It's not like guys haven't been rewarded though. Barrett and Perenara have both jumped in the pecking order. I bet Fifita and Fatialofa weren't even on the pecking order previously, they will be now.</p>
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<p>This. Agree absolutely.</p>
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<p>A few young 'canes have put their names on the list to be watched next year, and if they don't suffer from second year blues and perform, then they could be selection choices.</p>
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<p>Given J Savea's form, the 'canes are lucky to have the number of players they do in the AB23.</p> -
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<p>IF Reg Goodes had been healthy, I'd have picked him over Kane Hames.</p>
<p>IF Broadhurst was healthy and had had a good season for the Canes, he might have been considered.</p>
<p>IF they weren't already on a plane to their overseas clubs, they could have considered Vito and Jane over Squire and J. Savea.</p>
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<p>The Canes' locks are good, but definitely not better than Whitelock & Retallick. Not even remotely.</p>
<p>Shields was only good in the last few rounds & finals this year, very inconsistent (doing good stuff and absolutely shit stuff in one game) & a penalty magnet. Not even remotely remotely a possible replacement for Kaino.</p>
<p>Woodward? Don't make me laugh ...</p>
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<p>If people are worried about our current AB midfield, they'd even have more reason to worry with Laumape/Aso/Proctor. Talented, but not Riccitelli talented, if you get what I mean.</p>
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<p><span style="color:#ff0000;">So, no, I don't see any Canes player that I would consider for AB duties over any current ABs. But that's stating the obvious.</span></p>
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<p>But these very players bettered the Crusaders who I assume you think deserve their place in the squad. Some of the Crusaders ABs are fairly ordinary (Dagg is only up to much except in a winning team). Ill be keen to see how Taylor goes tomorrow because last year he was ordinary when he got game time (granted not much and thank god for that).</p>
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<p>But its interesting players like both Canes locks were not considered even for the full squad. Shield was excellent at the end but this suddenly doesn't count. And I would like to see Proctor get a run at the next level. Shag is not selecting fairly. And I would be annoyed if a ex Canes coach / supporter did the same thing benefiting the Canes. Its not good. Boyd needs to have a fairly forceful discussion with Shag. Basically to cut the crap and give all players a fair go</p> -
<p>Did Mark Ella take a few heads knocks when he was playing?</p>
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<p>Apparently he thinks Hanson is jealous of Cheika because Cheika won 2015 Coach of the Year. </p>
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<p>Does he thinks Hanson kicks his cat called Cheika every morning while wearing his 2015 RWC branded onesie, and looking for his weetbix in the All Blacks Bledisloe Cup Champions 2015 branded Tin which is hidden behind the stack of winners medals for the Rugby Championship? Hanson then finds the milk beside the massive list of NZ players who are playing good enough super rugby footy to be at least considered for the ABs. Jealous? Yeah, nah.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11697727'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11697727</a></p> -
The banter in the press this week has been pathetic. Is this what they have to resort to in order to get column inches in an Olympic week?<br><br>
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Hansen is also under a bit of pressure because critics have questioned just how good a coach he is. Without attempting to be condescending Mickey Mouse could probably coach the All Blacks to victory, such is the discipline and strength of the current New Zealand squad."<br><br>
That articlae from Ella is thè sort of trashyou'd expect from an attentionseeking opinion columnist who'd never played. <br><br>
Just absolute rubbish. I thought higher of him than that<br><br>
Those figures Mick from GC gave about the wallabies cavalry and their recent playing appearances is quite startling. No rugby for 3 months and you're relying on them to have the gas in the tank to beat the world champs?<br><br>
As mentioned what's the message to younger players coming through with ARU contracts? Sit tight while we once more pick aging heroes of yesteryear who haven't played since May? Perhaps they'll all put in best of career performances and we can forget about being whitewashed by the poms for a week. Then we'll begin rebuilding again?<br><br>
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"Who do you think you are kidding Michael Checker - if you think you're going to win" -
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<p>But its interesting players like both Canes locks were not considered even for the full squad. Shield was excellent at the end but this suddenly doesn't count. And I would like to see Proctor get a run at the next level. Shag is not selecting fairly. And I would be annoyed if a ex Canes coach / supporter did the same thing benefiting the Canes. Its not good. Boyd needs to have a fairly forceful discussion with Shag. Basically to cut the crap and give all players a fair go</p>
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<p>I think you have to go even further than that. You have a guy like Read as captain who is pretty much there because he is a Crusader (as was Richie who was pretty much a Crusader puppet too - notice a pattern?). Should have stripped Read of the captaincy and given it to Coles.</p>
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<p>Read did deserve it though for the Wales series as the Crusaders were leading the table going into the June tests, but a month is a long time in rugby.</p>
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<p>That's if Hansen should be coach at all. A Boyd/Umaga ticket (yes the Blues were average this year and he is a younger coach but Umaga has a special pedigree from his playing days that I just can't quite put my finger on) would probably give us a better shot tonight. Tew has a bit of thinking to do around that.</p>
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<p>That's if Tew should be CEO. Avan Lee just won the SR title in his 2nd year, while Tew is definitely yesterday's man.</p> -
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<p>I know Hanson doesn't give a fuck, but does he have to answer every question, no matter how angled?</p>
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I am very one eyed but Cheika really does give off the vibe that the comments get to him - especially the one about Eddie getting one over on him where Cheika said that he was being kicked while he was down etc, etc - he genuinely looked sad. Shag seems to enjoy it the banter, but if we start losing that will quickly change.</p> -
Ella's always come across as a bit of a cock , one of the 2011 rwc highlights for me was Gavin Hastings winding him up as co commentator in the Aussie Ireland game on Maori tv.
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I like Cheika. He's undoubtedly a good coach and I like the cut of his jib.<br><br>
He gets asked a lot of asinine shit at press conferences too<br><br>
I guess he's got a further 3 years to build a team but even next year surely the likes of Genia, Giteau, AAC can't be the spine of it. <br><br>
It looks a little like the ARU striving for some quick wins in the publicity and profile of the game but I can sympathise with their plight. Players chasing career options off shore is now a fait accompli and that's a difficult thing to address.<br><br>
To lose someone like Liam Gill or even Mowen before they've fired many shots seems a shame. But I can see the reasons. <br><br>
Its easy to put the boot in to Aus rugby but there is a defo change in mood from the days of Aus rugby playing their expansive, we'll do it our way that characterised their success previously. I'm talking about their teams admittedly a long time ago with Herbert, Larkham, Roff, George. Back then Aus only really had a team of 15 genuines but their tackling and attacking mindset, clarity of tactics, awareness of weaknesses and fuck you, we'll do it our way attitude really stood out.<br><br>
Quite a contrast to the latest lineout drive or long kick that seems to characterise the rugby here now.<br><br>
And the fucking whining....joking<br><br>
Anyway as always the scoreboard in 9 or so hours will be the determinant of both countries fortunes<br><br>
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<p>I am very one eyed but Cheika really does give off the vibe that the comments get to him - especially the one about Eddie getting one over on him where Cheika said that he was being kicked while he was down etc, etc - he genuinely looked sad. Shag seems to enjoy it the banter, but if we start losing that will quickly change.</p>
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<p>Yeah - it's easy to dish it out when you're on top. </p>
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<p>I'd rather we didn't much engage in these pre-game verbal spats - especially ones that we're provoking.</p> -
Spying?<br><br>
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Either underhandedness by the Wobs or betting?
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"The All Blacks suspected some of their team rooms may have been bugged during last year's World Cup in England but they didn't have the sort of sophisticated equipment they needed to detect any listening devices"<br><br>
Its not paranoia when they really are out to get you! -
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<p>A sophisticated listening device was discovered in the All Blacks' team room in their hotel ahead of tonight's test against the Wallabies.</p>
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<p>The device - the sort used by law enforcement and spying agencies - had been planted in a chair in the Sydney hotel where the team have been staying since Sunday, the <i>Herald</i> has learned.</p>
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<p>It is unclear whether police will be called in but the hotel has launched its own investigation.</p>
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<p>Would be huge if the ARU had anything to do with it.</p>
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<p>Not sure what to think really. If our coaching team can't even set up a decent lineout I'm not sure how they pull off a sophisticated surveillance regime.</p>
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Just posted in the game thread.<br><br>
Suggestion is it's officially sanctioned.<br><br>
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The wallabies are paying $2.80 according to the dompost . Very tempting
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<p>ABs might have missed a trick here - should have left the mic in the room and held sham team meetings all week.</p>
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<p>"We're going for the element of surprise this week boys - it's grubber kicks all day and Richie's coming back!"</p> -
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<p>But these very players bettered the Crusaders who I assume you think deserve their place in the squad. Some of the Crusaders ABs are fairly ordinary (Dagg is only up to much except in a winning team). Ill be keen to see how Taylor goes tomorrow because last year he was ordinary when he got game time (granted not much and thank god for that).</p>
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<p>But its interesting players like both Canes locks were not considered even for the full squad. Shield was excellent at the end but this suddenly doesn't count. And I would like to see Proctor get a run at the next level. Shag is not selecting fairly. And I would be annoyed if a ex Canes coach / supporter did the same thing benefiting the Canes. Its not good. Boyd needs to have a fairly forceful discussion with Shag. Basically to cut the crap and give all players a fair go</p>
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<p>You keep spouting the same bias BS, but you arent stating specifically who should be in for who...</p>
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<p>Both canes locks, while good are surely behind Tuipulotu, or are you dropping him because he is form the Blues? Bird has been very good in the latter half of the season too.</p>
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<p>But these very players bettered the Crusaders who I assume you think deserve their place in the squad. Some of the Crusaders ABs are fairly ordinary (Dagg is only up to much except in a winning team). Ill be keen to see how Taylor goes tomorrow because last year he was ordinary when he got game time (granted not much and thank god for that).</p>
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<p>But its interesting players like both Canes locks were not considered even for the full squad. Shield was excellent at the end but this suddenly doesn't count. And I would like to see Proctor get a run at the next level. Shag is not selecting fairly. And I would be annoyed if a ex Canes coach / supporter did the same thing benefiting the Canes. Its not good. Boyd needs to have a fairly forceful discussion with Shag. Basically to cut the crap and give all players a fair go</p>
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<p>so you think james marshall who is off overseas should debut for the all blacks at fullback over dagg in an away bledisloe?</p>
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<p>taylor is only playing because coles was injured and they wanted to rest him. surely that is obvious.</p>
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<p>you think brodie and whitelock, the best locking combination in world rugby don't deserve their places? or tuipolotou who has been excellent every time he has taken the field?</p>
<p>you think shields is better than kaino? you think he is better than dixon who won the super rugby final last year? </p>
<p>proctor? really?</p>
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<p>the hurricanes success is based on coles, barrett and perenara. coles is already a 1st choice AB. barrett has jumped cruden to start. perenara has jumped kerr-barlow to the bench. that is great reward for a top season.</p>
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<p>as has already been pointed out, the canes have one more AB than they ought to, because julian savea does not deserve to be there on performance.</p> -
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as has already been pointed out, the canes have one more AB than they ought to, because julian savea does not deserve to be there on performance.</p></blockquote>
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But in all fairness would have NMS starting in if remotely fit.<br><br>
Also worth noting Hansen took a rookie NMS to the RWC over Dagg and took Savea on an apprenticeship thing on the EOYT, something they've never done, as a way of pre ordaining him for higher ho ours despite being a Hurricane. This hasn't been done for any Crusaders as best I can tell. -
<p>Steve H is under no obligation to select 'fairly'. His job is to put together a team of men who not only have the requisite skills, but complement each other on the park for the game plan they have. This TEAM has to work together, and obviously some combinations and skill sets work far better together than others.</p>
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<p>The Canes are my second team, but no way do I feel they should stack the AB's with their players. The shining stars (and not just in one game FFS) have been selected. If players continue to perform, they may get the call up to higher honours.</p>
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<p>To say Boyd should have a 'forceful discussion' with Hansen - fuck off. At this point in time, with a couple of World Cups, the world number one spot, a shitload of victories home and away, I reckon the dude knows what he is doing.</p> -
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<p>But in all fairness would have NMS starting in if remotely fit.<br><br>
Also worth noting Hansen took a rookie NMS to the RWC over Dagg and took Savea on an apprenticeship thing on the EOYT, something they've never done, as a way of pre ordaining him for higher ho ours despite being a Hurricane. This hasn't been done for any Crusaders as best I can tell.</p>
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<p>To be fair, Hansen explained Dagg's omission from the RWC squad by referring to his string of injuries and the fact that he didn't recover from his latest injury setback in time to be ready for selection. If Dagg had been fully fit last year, he might have been in the RWC squad. Not sure whether NMS would have been the one to stay at home in that situation though. They might have left Naholo in NZ. #wewillneverknow</p> -
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<p>Steve H is under no obligation to select 'fairly'. His job is to put together a team of men who not only have the requisite skills, but complement each other on the park for the game plan they have. This TEAM has to work together, and obviously some combinations and skill sets work far better together than others.</p>
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<p>The Canes are my second team, but no way do I feel they should stack the AB's with their players. The shining stars (and not just in one game FFS) have been selected. If players continue to perform, they may get the call up to higher honours.</p>
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<p><strong>To say Boyd should have a 'forceful discussion' with Hansen - fuck off.</strong> At this point in time, with a couple of World Cups, the world number one spot, a shitload of victories home and away, I reckon the dude knows what he is doing.</p>
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<p>Do Hansen & co even talk to Super Rugby coaches about All Black selections? Why would they have any input other than updating Hansen about a players physical and mental fitness at the time selection decisions have to be made?</p> -
Winger is far and away the best troll on here. You fullas can't help but bite.
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<p>Either underhandedness by the Wobs or betting?</p>
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<p>Who has the most to gain? I just don't see what a bookie would get out of it, short of betting on team composition ..... so that leaves......?</p> -
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<p>Who has the most to gain? I just don't see what a bookie would get out of it, short of betting on team composition ..... so that leaves......?</p>
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<p>This guy - look at the ear piece! He's missing it so much he bugged the fucking room!</p> -
<p>Left behind from a previous attempt to bug someone else??</p>
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This isn't Rooty Hill RSL where they are staying, I'm sure there have been many commercially sensitive meetings held there in the past month. Perhaps it is left over from that.<br><br>
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"We're going for the element of surprise this week boys - it's grubber kicks all day and Richie's coming back!"</p></blockquote>
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<p>if only that were that simple...</p> -
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<p>If Winger were a better troll he should be saying the Canes coach should be AB coach. Hell, everytime a super rugby side wins, just make that super rugby coach the AB coach. It isn't like international rugby is different to super rugby and that combinitions can't gel into expert reliable combos overnight. Oh no. In fact, make Winger coach of the ABs<span style="font-size:8px;">. That would solve all the current problems and make far larger and more spectacular new ones...</span></p>
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<p>Do Hansen & co even talk to Super Rugby coaches about All Black selections? Why would they have any input other than updating Hansen about a players physical and mental fitness at the time selection decisions have to be made?</p>
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<p>perhaps that's how Ofa became an AB.....Shag had too many meetings with ultra-optimistic Sir JK</p> -
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" hello Steve? Chris Boyd here"<br>
" gday well done on the rugby title mate "<br>
" cheers, I wanting to have a word with you about the number of canes players in the team "<br>
"Is that right?"<br>
" yeah considering the final placing a of the teams (realises he can hear dial tone) ......, um Steve you still there...,,,,?" <br>
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Pulver immediately cleared the ARU from any involvement or knowledge whatsoever.<br><br>
"Look, I have literally just seen a note from Steve Tew telling me about this and a brief statement they [New Zealand Rugby] are about to put out which confirms that they found a listening device and the two unions have agreed to hand the matter over to the police," Pulver said.<br><br>
"Mate, of course [the ARU is not involved]. It is completely ludicrous. I just think it's a ludicrous concept that there are listening devices being placed in team rooms. I don't know how that could happen."</p>
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