Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)
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This provincial bias crusade you have going getting very old Winger.<br><br>
I think Shag knows a thing or two about selecting and coaching a side, he has won over 90% of his games in charge has he not?<br><br>
The All Blacks are almost like a franchise these days, I'd say the majority of the players in the team have been identified well before they get the call up. <br><br>
And like it or not, they have a pecking order which doesn't change overnight, or even over a super rugby season in most cases. It's bloody hard to make the team, but once you're in, you'll be given time to prove yourself, and if you're given the boot, its even harder to get back in. -
<p>Its also a case super rugby does not equal test rugby, Isia Toeava was outstanding at a super level, genuinely one of THE players of his era. He was largely shithouse in tests. Nonu was usually pretty fucking shit in a super shirt. If you were picking your 12 based on super rugby Toeava would have been at 12 over Nonu for 4 years...</p>
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<p>It is poor though don't you think. Henry was brilliant is this regard. Selected fairly without any provincial bias at all as far as I could see. Its how it should be. But these numbers made it just a little obvious</p>
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<p>cards on the table then winger, who should have been selected and instead of whom?</p>
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<p>you might as well answer at the same time: why would someone whose job depends on picking the best players deliberately not do so out of loyalty to a professional franchise that consists of players from all over the country?</p> -
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<p>Its also a case super rugby does not equal test rugby, Isia Toeava was outstanding at a super level, genuinely one of THE players of his era. He was largely shithouse in tests. Nonu was usually pretty fucking shit in a super shirt. If you were picking your 12 based on super rugby Toeava would have been at 12 over Nonu for 4 years...</p>
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<p>Can this one die? Nonu was fantastic for most of his Super Rugby career for the Hurricanes. It's only when he went elsewhere his form wasn't very good.</p> -
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Can this one die? Nonu was fantastic for most of his Super Rugby career for the Hurricanes. It's only when he went elsewhere his form wasn't very good.</p></blockquote>
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Ditto Toeava was largely excellent after his initial hiccups.<br><br>
But 2003, 2007, provincial bias and Toeava discussion -vintage thread for the fern. -
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<p>This provincial bias crusade you have going getting very old Winger.<br><br>
I think Shag knows a thing or two about selecting and coaching a side, he has won over 90% of his games in charge has he not?<br><br>
The All Blacks are almost like a franchise these days, I'd say the majority of the players in the team have been identified well before they get the call up.<br><br>
And like it or not, they have a pecking order which doesn't change overnight, or even over a super rugby season in most cases. It's bloody hard to make the team, but once you're in, you'll be given time to prove yourself, and if you're given the boot, its even harder to get back in.</p>
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<p>Shag si human. And slowly after taking over from excellent Henry in this regard he has slowly yet provincial bias creep in. the above number make this obvious. he's now in the Hart Wylie league</p>
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<p>Boyd needs to start speaking up for promising Canes players. Otherwise if this carries on they will have to leave to make the AB</p>
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<p>Finally if a coach can't win just about everything with the outstanding quality of players NZ have they are useless. But Ive made my point so will leave it for now</p> -
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<p>Can this one die? Nonu was fantastic for most of his Super Rugby career for the Hurricanes. It's only when he went elsewhere his form wasn't very good.</p>
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<p>He played for someone other than the mighty Blues?</p> -
<p>im surprised anyone thinks provincial bias at AB level exists , </p>
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<p>Last year Highlander fans said the same thing about their forward pack </p> -
<p>Does anyone else want to have a crack if Winger won't about what Canes players you would trade for current ABs?</p>
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<p>You could make a case for Jane over Savea - but that doesn't do much to help Winger's cause. Any other ones that are even remotely possible?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="kiwiinmelb" data-cid="606890" data-time="1471632492"><p>im surprised anyone thinks provincial bias at AB level exists , <br><br>
Last year Highlander fans said the same thing about their forward pack</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="rotated" data-cid="606895" data-time="1471634881"><p>Does anyone else want to have a crack if Winger won't about what Canes players you would trade for current ABs?<br>
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You could make a case for Jane over Savea - but that doesn't do much to help Winger's cause. Any other ones that are even remotely possible?</p></blockquote>The Canes won Super rugby but we were in a rebuilding year. I reckon we have a few potential future ABs but no one ready to step up now. I'm totally happy with Shag's lack of provincial bias, the only one with bias around here is Winger! -
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<p>Does anyone else want to have a crack if Winger won't about what Canes players you would trade for current ABs?</p>
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<p>You could make a case for Jane over Savea - but that doesn't do much to help Winger's cause. Any other ones that are even remotely possible?</p>
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<p>IF Reg Goodes had been healthy, I'd have picked him over Kane Hames.</p>
<p>IF Broadhurst was healthy and had had a good season for the Canes, he might have been considered.</p>
<p>IF they weren't already on a plane to their overseas clubs, they could have considered Vito and Jane over Squire and J. Savea.</p>
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<p>The Canes' locks are good, but definitely not better than Whitelock & Retallick. Not even remotely.</p>
<p>Shields was only good in the last few rounds & finals this year, very inconsistent (doing good stuff and absolutely shit stuff in one game) & a penalty magnet. Not even remotely remotely a possible replacement for Kaino.</p>
<p>Woodward? Don't make me laugh ...</p>
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<p>If people are worried about our current AB midfield, they'd even have more reason to worry with Laumape/Aso/Proctor. Talented, but not Riccitelli talented, if you get what I mean.</p>
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<p>So, no, I don't see any Canes player that I would consider for AB duties over any current ABs. But that's stating the obvious.</p> -
The coaching team appear to be avoiding selecting guys based on only one season. It's a tough policy but considering the amount of talent available, it makes sense.<br><br>
Dixon is a good example, he was probably the NZ Super rugby forward of the year in 2015. That wasn't enough though. They asked him to perform again the next year, he did that and they selected him.<br><br>
It's not like guys haven't been rewarded though. Barrett and Perenara have both jumped in the pecking order. I bet Fifita and Fatialofa weren't even on the pecking order previously, they will be now. -
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<p>Really?</p>
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<p>you mean the highlanders part ?</p>
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<p>yeah , not here I dont think , but in media etc, they won super rugby , forward pack went really well , no ABs selected </p> -
Watched an old Bledisloe test the other night and couldn't believe my eyes when I saw on the park: <br><br>
Woodcock, Mealamu, Ali Williams, McAlister, Toeava, Howlett, Rokocoko, Muliaina <br><br>
I thought surely not 8 players from the Blues playing under Henry in a 2006 Bledisloe. How the hell did he sneak that many in when the Crusaders won the title. Criminal that such biased selection could infiltrate the national side. <br><br>
Perhaps a human night for the Knighted one. <br><br>
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<p>The coaching team appear to be avoiding selecting guys based on only one season. It's a tough policy but considering the amount of talent available, it makes sense.<br><br>
Dixon is a good example, he was probably the NZ Super rugby forward of the year in 2015. That wasn't enough though. They asked him to perform again the next year, he did that and they selected him.<br><br>
It's not like guys haven't been rewarded though. Barrett and Perenara have both jumped in the pecking order. I bet Fifita and Fatialofa weren't even on the pecking order previously, they will be now.</p>
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<p>This. Agree absolutely.</p>
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<p>A few young 'canes have put their names on the list to be watched next year, and if they don't suffer from second year blues and perform, then they could be selection choices.</p>
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<p>Given J Savea's form, the 'canes are lucky to have the number of players they do in the AB23.</p> -
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<p>IF Reg Goodes had been healthy, I'd have picked him over Kane Hames.</p>
<p>IF Broadhurst was healthy and had had a good season for the Canes, he might have been considered.</p>
<p>IF they weren't already on a plane to their overseas clubs, they could have considered Vito and Jane over Squire and J. Savea.</p>
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<p>The Canes' locks are good, but definitely not better than Whitelock & Retallick. Not even remotely.</p>
<p>Shields was only good in the last few rounds & finals this year, very inconsistent (doing good stuff and absolutely shit stuff in one game) & a penalty magnet. Not even remotely remotely a possible replacement for Kaino.</p>
<p>Woodward? Don't make me laugh ...</p>
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<p>If people are worried about our current AB midfield, they'd even have more reason to worry with Laumape/Aso/Proctor. Talented, but not Riccitelli talented, if you get what I mean.</p>
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<p><span style="color:#ff0000;">So, no, I don't see any Canes player that I would consider for AB duties over any current ABs. But that's stating the obvious.</span></p>
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<p>But these very players bettered the Crusaders who I assume you think deserve their place in the squad. Some of the Crusaders ABs are fairly ordinary (Dagg is only up to much except in a winning team). Ill be keen to see how Taylor goes tomorrow because last year he was ordinary when he got game time (granted not much and thank god for that).</p>
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<p>But its interesting players like both Canes locks were not considered even for the full squad. Shield was excellent at the end but this suddenly doesn't count. And I would like to see Proctor get a run at the next level. Shag is not selecting fairly. And I would be annoyed if a ex Canes coach / supporter did the same thing benefiting the Canes. Its not good. Boyd needs to have a fairly forceful discussion with Shag. Basically to cut the crap and give all players a fair go</p>
