All Blacks v Wales Test #3
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<p>We don't need to poach Irish players surely.</p>
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<p>All the Crusaders players to be in the 23, eh ACTC!! :)</p>
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<p>I think Dixon will be the only newbie to start and it sounds like Barrett at 10 ahead of Sopoaga. TKB on the bench, and Taylor replaces Harris.</p> -
Id like to see;<br><br>
Moody<br>
Taylor<br>
Franks<br>
Whitelock<br>
Tuipolutu<br>
Kaino<br>
Cane<br>
Read<br>
Smith<br>
Sopoaga<br>
Naholo<br>
Ngatai<br>
Tamanuvalu (sorry sp)<br>
Smith<br>
Dagg<br><br>
Coles<br>
Crockett<br>
Faumauina<br>
Dixon<br>
Squire<br>
TKB<br>
BB<br>
Moala<br><br>
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<p>I'd like Sopoaga to start</p>
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From a Welsh perspective, I think we improved a little yesterday & I'd expect a little more next week.<br>
Personally I think they could do with taking a couple of risks squad wise. I'd seriously consider leaving Roberts out or at least removing him after 45/50 minutes. The guy looked in bits after 50 mins yesterday, was out on his feet. Scott Williams was poor against Waikato but offers far more offensively, especially when the game opens up.<br>
Also they have to put Matthew Morgan on the bench & give him 30mins. We've got nothing to lose at this point. If he gets mashed on defence a couple of times who cares, let's see if he can create something.<br>
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<p>Crotty defo isn't a 12.</p>
<p>He's not a "visionary" or a creator. He's a safe pair of hands, who may grow into the organisational role at 13.</p>
<p>Need a better read on the game at 12, a facilitator who can conjure something from nothing. I'd be interested to see what Ngatai and Moala can bring to the role. </p>
<p>For the future, Rieko looks a good prospect and also interested in the development of Laumape.</p> -
<p>Team I'd pick</p>
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<p>Moody, Coles, Franks, Whitelock, Retallick, Dixon, Cane, Read, A Smith, Sopoaga, Naholo, Crotty, Tamanuvalu, Ben Smith, Dagg</p>
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<p>Bench: Crocckett, Taylor, Fauminia, Tuipolutu, A Savea, TJP, Beauden Barrett, Moala</p> -
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<p>Crotty defo isn't a 12.</p>
<p>He's not a "visionary" or a creator. He's a safe pair of hands, who may grow into the organisational role at 13.</p>
<p>Need a better read on the game at 12, a facilitator who can conjure something from nothing. I'd be interested to see what Ngatai and Moala can bring to the role. </p>
<p>For the future, Rieko looks a good prospect and also interested in the development of Laumape.</p>
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<p>I tend to agree with this, nothing against Crotty as a footballer , he may well be our 13, but dont see him as our long term solution at 12 </p> -
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<p>From a Welsh perspective, I think we improved a little yesterday & I'd expect a little more next week.<br>
Personally I think they could do with taking a couple of risks squad wise. I'd seriously consider leaving Roberts out or at least removing him after 45/50 minutes. The guy looked in bits after 50 mins yesterday, was out on his feet. Scott Williams was poor against Waikato but offers far more offensively, especially when the game opens up.<br>
Also they have to put Matthew Morgan on the bench & give him 30mins. We've got nothing to lose at this point. If he gets mashed on defence a couple of times who cares, let's see if he can create something.<br>
Series has gone let's try to evolve our game & play more positive rugby.</p>
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Another dead rubber test, I was much happier when we had two tests and a third against someone else.Thenwe could have looked forward to England or Ireland coming. The whole 3 test thing seemed like a copout, extra insurance in case one of the SH teams lose a test.
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Team I'd pick<br><br>
Moody, Coles, Franks, Whitelock, Retallick, Dixon, Cane, Read, A Smith, Sopoaga, Naholo, Crotty, Tamanuvalu, Ben Smith, Dagg<br><br>
Bench: Crocckett, Taylor, Fauminia, Tuipolutu, A Savea, TJP, Beauden Barrett, Moala</p></blockquote>
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<p>From a Welsh perspective, I think we improved a little yesterday & I'd expect a little more next week.<br>
Personally I think they could do with taking a couple of risks squad wise. <strong>I'd seriously consider leaving Roberts out </strong>or at least removing him after 45/50 minutes. The guy looked in bits after 50 mins yesterday, was out on his feet. Scott Williams was poor against Waikato but offers far more offensively, especially when the game opens up.<br>
Also they have to put Matthew Morgan on the bench & give him 30mins. We've got nothing to lose at this point. If he gets mashed on defence a couple of times who cares, let's see if he can create something.<br>
Series has gone let's try to evolve our game & play more positive rugby.</p>
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<p>I know Barrett is incredibly quick but he ran Roberts down with ease. I reckon that and the missed tackles may have been down to him playing on when he shouldn't have. He did the same early in his career after a collision with Stirling Mortlock. One would think a doctor should be a bit smarter about such things.</p> -
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<p>Another dead rubber test, I was much happier when we had two tests and a third against someone else.Thenwe could have looked forward to England or Ireland coming. The whole 3 test thing seemed like a copout, extra insurance in case one of the SH teams lose a test.</p>
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<p>I don't consider it a dead rubber. We still have a proud 60 year record to protect against Wales.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="sparky" data-cid="589803" data-time="1466348575"><p>Team I'd pick<br><br>
Moody, Coles, Franks, Whitelock, Retallick, Dixon, Cane, Read, A Smith, Sopoaga, Naholo, Crotty, Tamanuvalu, Ben Smith, Dagg<br><br>
Bench: Crocckett, Taylor, Fauminia, Tuipolutu, A Savea, TJP, Beauden Barrett, Moala</p></blockquote>
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Almost exactly what I'd pick - I'd be tempted to give J Savea a run (for Naholo), put Squire on the bench (for Ardie), and the midfield/bench would depend on Fekitoa's fitness.<br><br>
I think they'll pick Sparky's team switching Barrett for Sopoaga, with midfield depending on fitness. You'd think they would want to give Squire time, but maybe not this test. -
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<p>Another dead rubber test, I was much happier when we had two tests and a third against someone else.Thenwe could have looked forward to England or Ireland coming. The whole 3 test thing seemed like a copout, extra insurance in case one of the SH teams lose a test.</p>
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<p>I'm glad we get a third game between Ireland and South Africa and Australia and England.</p> -
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<p>I'm glad we get a third game between Ireland and South Africa and Australia and England.</p>
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<p>Any idea why the IRB have decided to bring the three test series back ? they're as rare as an Owen Franks clean break.</p> -
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<p>I don't consider it a dead rubber. We still have a proud 60 year record to protect against Wales.</p>
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<p>Thats exactly my point, two tests is enough, a tied series would still have ended up being a victory for Wales anyway, would be far more interested in a one off test against one of the other nations. That we dont want to lose to Wales is the same as every test match. Out of the last 8 or so 3 test series in the southern hemisphere I think the only non-Lions series going to a decider is Ireland/SA and even that is just giving SA a chance to save face. </p> -
<p>I just don't understand your train of thought. 3 tests series are the best. I love it that there is a third test. If it was 1 each I would be bitterly disappointed that there was no third test</p>
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I know there is talk of starting Barrett and moving him out to 14/15 later in the game.<br><br>
I just think his effectiveness at a weapon will be reduced if he's got some miles on the clock instead of hitting the field fresh.<br><br>
Can't see a way of getting Squire in. Would require leaving Ardie or Pat T off the bench reducing it's effectiveness.<br><br>
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<p>Wales finished the last test full of running. They are not a broken side by any stretch of the imagination, and i would imagine the selectors will be putting another full strength side out. </p>
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<p>Have the coaches said anything about Harris being selected ahead of Taylor for the first 2 tests?</p>
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<p>Because unless they have, I think everyone's assumption that Taylor is ahead in the pecking order is a bit premature.</p> -
<p>bro, if we don't have assumptions that we know shit, we have nothing!</p>
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<p>I know there is talk of starting Barrett and moving him out to 14/15 later in the game.<br><br>
I just think his effectiveness at a weapon will be reduced if he's got some miles on the clock instead of hitting the field fresh.<br>
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<p>Yeah, I know what you mean... but I think they owe it to Barrett to give him a start every now and then to push his case for that role too.</p> -
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<p>Yeah, I know what you mean... but I think they owe it to Barrett to give him a start every now and then to push his case for that role too.</p>
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<p>I don't know if I follow that line of thinking, he gets to push his case during Super rugby like Five Sopoaga did. If he shows his wares there and convinces the coaches he's the man for the starting 10 role then he'll get some starts.</p> -
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<p>bro, if we don't have assumptions that we know shit, we have nothing!</p>
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<p>Speak for yourself I would still have stunning good looks and mint condition 1981 Skaterama tee.</p> -
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<p>bro, if we don't have assumptions that we know shit, <strike>we have nothing!</strike> the fern would cease to exist.....</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Milk" data-cid="589887" data-time="1466386065"><p>
Yeah, I know what you mean... but I think they owe it to Barrett to give him a start every now and then to push his case for that role too.</p></blockquote>
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Really? <br><br>
Firstly do the AB selectors "owe" anyone?<br>
Secondly to get a similar impact off the bench they would need to put DMac at 23. -
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<p>I don't know if I follow that line of thinking, he gets to push his case during Super rugby like Five Sopoaga did. If he shows his wares there and convinces the coaches he's the man for the starting 10 role then he'll get some starts.</p>
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<p>If that was the case I'm not sure Kaino would have started over Dixon, Cane over Ardie, and Lima would have started by now. From what I've seen, once you've been in the environment for a while they reward All Blacks form over Super Rugby form.</p>
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<p>Really?<br><br>
Firstly do the AB selectors "owe" anyone?<br>
Secondly to get a similar impact off the bench they would need to put DMac at 23.</p>
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<p>Yeah, what must be dozens of tests off the bench, many campaigns waiting for an opportunity and game changing impact in important games, would justify an opportunity to start for Barrett, in my opinion.</p> -
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<p>"We have got a good back-up in Lima coming off the bench if we do it that way or we can go the other way and put Lima into start. <strong>Beauden probably deserves to get the opportunity</strong>."</p>
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<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11659418'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11659418</a></p>
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<p>It seems Hansen is thinking along the lines of starting Barrett.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/81218861/all-blacks-coach-steve-hansen-endorses-beauden-barrett-for-firstfive'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/81218861/all-blacks-coach-steve-hansen-endorses-beauden-barrett-for-firstfive</a></p>
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<p>Beat me by 5 seconds Milk.</p> -
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<p>If that was the case I'm not sure Kaino would have started over Dixon, Cane over Ardie, and Lima would have started by now. From what I've seen, once you've been in the environment for a while they reward All Blacks form over Super Rugby form.</p>
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<p>That's not strictly the same as what I'm saying. And I think it would silly to discount Super rugby when assessing how a 10 controls a game - Five definitely got in through his exploits in Super rugby and AC shared the 10 role with DC during our unbeaten run with is likely in part due to his steering the Chiefs to two championships.</p> -
I think people are underestimating Sopoaga's attacking game. He's deceptively quick and very good at identifying and exploiting space, probably plays quite a bit flatter than Barrett. <br><br>
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<p>I think people are underestimating Sopoaga's attacking game. </p>
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<p>He won a game for us in South Africa. That shit takes some doing, even now. Even more so last year.</p> -
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<p>I think people are underestimating Sopoaga's attacking game. He's deceptively quick and very good at identifying and exploiting space, probably plays quite a bit flatter than Barrett.<br><br><strong>No reason why he couldn't have a big impact off the bench.</strong></p>
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<p>Am sure he can have a big impact, but BB has set that bar pretty damn high! </p> -
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<p>I think people are underestimating Sopoaga's attacking game. He's deceptively quick and very good at identifying and exploiting space, probably plays quite a bit flatter than Barrett.<br><br>
No reason why he couldn't have a big impact off the bench.</p>
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<p> I think its also about if they want to replace someone in the back 3 ,</p>
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<p>but hanson seems to have cleared that up by saying they can move Barrett from 10 . </p> -
<p>i think an impact sub at 10 doesn't necessarily have to be a ball-runner. lima can run anyway, but a big part of what he has done so well for the highlanders, and arguably better than the other contenders, is play to a plan and kick accurately from hand (and for goal) controlling the game. sure running opportunities present themselves more against tired opponents, but so too does more space exist to kick, catch 3/4s out of position and grind opposition into the ground. eg if you've got a lead to defend, the ideal sub 10 isn't a runner, it is someone with a booming clearance who can control territory.</p>
<p>i reckon people get a bit trapped into thinking that just because in recent times we have done something one way and it has been successful, that is the only way to do things; so right now people think we need a big hard-hitting guy at 12 and an organiser at 13. but guys like tim horan can be pretty handy at 12 too. we spent a long time with big strong combative 'extra loose forward' halfbacks, then along came aaron smith. </p>
<p>which is all just a long way of saying that lima would be fine on the bench if barrett starts - and yes, you have exactly the same amount of cover as you would if the roles were reversed.</p> -
<p>My team would be:</p>
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<p>1. Joe Moody</p>
<p>2. Dane Coles</p>
<p>3. Owen Franks</p>
<p>4. Patrick Tuipolotu (Rettalick has done nothing wrong but it will be great to see the big tank get a run)</p>
<p>5. Sam Whitelock</p>
<p>6. Elliot Dixon (Deserves a crack on his own patch)</p>
<p>7. Sam Cane</p>
<p>8. Keiran Read</p>
<p>9. Aaron Smith</p>
<p>10. Beauden Barrett</p>
<p>11. Waisaki Nahalo</p>
<p>12. Ryan Crotty</p>
<p>13. Malakai Fekitoa</p>
<p>14. Ben Smith</p>
<p>15. Israel Dagg</p>
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<p>"The Finishers: 16. Codie Taylor 17. Wyatt Crockett 18. Charlie Faumaina 19. Liam Squire 20. Ardie Savea 21. TJ Perenara 22. Lima Sopoaga 23. Seta Tamanivalu</p> -
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<p> I think its also about if they want to replace someone in the back 3 ,</p>
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<p>but hanson seems to have cleared that up by saying they can move Barrett from 10 . </p>
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<p>If they start Barrett that seems likley, they'll sub on Lima & take off Dagg, moving Barrett to 15</p>
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<p>I still think its even money we'll see Ben Smith wearing 13 again by the end of the year.</p> -
Reprobate, you're thinkin' what I'm thinkin'.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Milk" data-cid="589950" data-time="1466399838"><p>Also this:<br><br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11659418">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11659418</a><br><br>
:)</p></blockquote>
"Posted by Steve Hansen". Haha, imagine the shit fights he'd get into if he posted on the Fern.
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