All Blacks v Wales Test #3
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<p>bro, if we don't have assumptions that we know shit, <strike>we have nothing!</strike> the fern would cease to exist.....</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Milk" data-cid="589887" data-time="1466386065"><p>
Yeah, I know what you mean... but I think they owe it to Barrett to give him a start every now and then to push his case for that role too.</p></blockquote>
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Firstly do the AB selectors "owe" anyone?<br>
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<p>I don't know if I follow that line of thinking, he gets to push his case during Super rugby like Five Sopoaga did. If he shows his wares there and convinces the coaches he's the man for the starting 10 role then he'll get some starts.</p>
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<p>If that was the case I'm not sure Kaino would have started over Dixon, Cane over Ardie, and Lima would have started by now. From what I've seen, once you've been in the environment for a while they reward All Blacks form over Super Rugby form.</p>
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<p>Really?<br><br>
Firstly do the AB selectors "owe" anyone?<br>
Secondly to get a similar impact off the bench they would need to put DMac at 23.</p>
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<p>Yeah, what must be dozens of tests off the bench, many campaigns waiting for an opportunity and game changing impact in important games, would justify an opportunity to start for Barrett, in my opinion.</p> -
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<p>"We have got a good back-up in Lima coming off the bench if we do it that way or we can go the other way and put Lima into start. <strong>Beauden probably deserves to get the opportunity</strong>."</p>
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<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11659418'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11659418</a></p>
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<p>It seems Hansen is thinking along the lines of starting Barrett.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/81218861/all-blacks-coach-steve-hansen-endorses-beauden-barrett-for-firstfive'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/81218861/all-blacks-coach-steve-hansen-endorses-beauden-barrett-for-firstfive</a></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Milk" data-cid="589947" data-time="1466399270">
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<p>If that was the case I'm not sure Kaino would have started over Dixon, Cane over Ardie, and Lima would have started by now. From what I've seen, once you've been in the environment for a while they reward All Blacks form over Super Rugby form.</p>
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<p>That's not strictly the same as what I'm saying. And I think it would silly to discount Super rugby when assessing how a 10 controls a game - Five definitely got in through his exploits in Super rugby and AC shared the 10 role with DC during our unbeaten run with is likely in part due to his steering the Chiefs to two championships.</p> -
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="589972" data-time="1466404300">
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<p>I think people are underestimating Sopoaga's attacking game. </p>
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<p>He won a game for us in South Africa. That shit takes some doing, even now. Even more so last year.</p> -
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<p>I think people are underestimating Sopoaga's attacking game. He's deceptively quick and very good at identifying and exploiting space, probably plays quite a bit flatter than Barrett.<br><br><strong>No reason why he couldn't have a big impact off the bench.</strong></p>
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<p>Am sure he can have a big impact, but BB has set that bar pretty damn high! </p> -
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<p>I think people are underestimating Sopoaga's attacking game. He's deceptively quick and very good at identifying and exploiting space, probably plays quite a bit flatter than Barrett.<br><br>
No reason why he couldn't have a big impact off the bench.</p>
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<p> I think its also about if they want to replace someone in the back 3 ,</p>
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<p>but hanson seems to have cleared that up by saying they can move Barrett from 10 . </p> -
<p>i think an impact sub at 10 doesn't necessarily have to be a ball-runner. lima can run anyway, but a big part of what he has done so well for the highlanders, and arguably better than the other contenders, is play to a plan and kick accurately from hand (and for goal) controlling the game. sure running opportunities present themselves more against tired opponents, but so too does more space exist to kick, catch 3/4s out of position and grind opposition into the ground. eg if you've got a lead to defend, the ideal sub 10 isn't a runner, it is someone with a booming clearance who can control territory.</p>
<p>i reckon people get a bit trapped into thinking that just because in recent times we have done something one way and it has been successful, that is the only way to do things; so right now people think we need a big hard-hitting guy at 12 and an organiser at 13. but guys like tim horan can be pretty handy at 12 too. we spent a long time with big strong combative 'extra loose forward' halfbacks, then along came aaron smith. </p>
<p>which is all just a long way of saying that lima would be fine on the bench if barrett starts - and yes, you have exactly the same amount of cover as you would if the roles were reversed.</p> -
<p>My team would be:</p>
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<p>1. Joe Moody</p>
<p>2. Dane Coles</p>
<p>3. Owen Franks</p>
<p>4. Patrick Tuipolotu (Rettalick has done nothing wrong but it will be great to see the big tank get a run)</p>
<p>5. Sam Whitelock</p>
<p>6. Elliot Dixon (Deserves a crack on his own patch)</p>
<p>7. Sam Cane</p>
<p>8. Keiran Read</p>
<p>9. Aaron Smith</p>
<p>10. Beauden Barrett</p>
<p>11. Waisaki Nahalo</p>
<p>12. Ryan Crotty</p>
<p>13. Malakai Fekitoa</p>
<p>14. Ben Smith</p>
<p>15. Israel Dagg</p>
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<p>"The Finishers: 16. Codie Taylor 17. Wyatt Crockett 18. Charlie Faumaina 19. Liam Squire 20. Ardie Savea 21. TJ Perenara 22. Lima Sopoaga 23. Seta Tamanivalu</p> -
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<p> I think its also about if they want to replace someone in the back 3 ,</p>
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<p>but hanson seems to have cleared that up by saying they can move Barrett from 10 . </p>
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<p>If they start Barrett that seems likley, they'll sub on Lima & take off Dagg, moving Barrett to 15</p>
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<p>I still think its even money we'll see Ben Smith wearing 13 again by the end of the year.</p> -
Reprobate, you're thinkin' what I'm thinkin'.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Milk" data-cid="589950" data-time="1466399838"><p>Also this:<br><br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11659418">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11659418</a><br><br>
:)</p></blockquote>
"Posted by Steve Hansen". Haha, imagine the shit fights he'd get into if he posted on the Fern. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Hooroo" data-cid="589870" data-time="1466383302"><p>I just don't understand your train of thought. 3 tests series are the best. I love it that there is a third test. If it was 1 each I would be bitterly disappointed that there was no third test</p></blockquote>
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Agree to disagree , I would far rather see how we match up against England for example. 3 tests against same team too much unless it's the Lions for me. -
I personally would start Lima for no other reason than I would like to see more of him at this level to see how he goes ,<br><br>But understand the coaches wanting to reward Barrett, he really has developed into a very important player for us
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<p>Shag reported as saying CN still out. I think it's worth giving Dixon a shot. Haven't heard how Fekitoa's knee is.</p>
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<p>If it were me I'd go with:</p>
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<p>Franks/Canes/Crockett (brings more go forward and counter for Jenkins)</p>
<p>BBBR/Sam W</p>
<p>Cane/Dixon/Read</p>
<p>Aaron S/Lima S</p>
<p>Moala/Fekitoa</p>
<p>Naholo/Smith </p>
<p>Dagg</p>
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<p>Bench:</p>
<p>Charlie F/ Moody/Harris or Taylor/Savea/Kaino/TKB/Crotty/BB</p>
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<p>Suspect the wise men will have Dixon on bench, BB starting and Moala lucky to be in 23, with Crotty starting.</p>
