If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?
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@frugby said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
The Blues players and the Blues coaches!
There's no point discussing if you are going to be dishonset. That is not what I said and it is not what I want
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@Duluth said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Victor-Meldrew said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Maybe get grey-hairs like Vern Cotter working with Robertson on a more day-day basis.
Cotter replacing Ryan as a selector would have a massive positive impact. If the pressure builds I'm sure Robertson will throw another assistant under the bus to keep his job
This is dishonest. You think Robertson threw Mcdonald under the bus to keep his job?
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@reprobate said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Duluth said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Victor-Meldrew said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Maybe get grey-hairs like Vern Cotter working with Robertson on a more day-day basis.
Cotter replacing Ryan as a selector would have a massive positive impact. If the pressure builds I'm sure Robertson will throw another assistant under the bus to keep his job
This is dishonest. You think Robertson threw Mcdonald under the bus to keep his job?
I didn't say his job was under threat when LM was pushed out. It might be if the EOYT goes bad.
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@frugby said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
People losing their minds with Razor.
No they're not, they're just judging him to a standard we judge AB coaches, and you as his marketing manager can't handle that.
Who cares what Rassie did in 2018, it's irrelevant, we're judging a coach on his results this year, and those results include our first loss in the RC in 4 years.
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@reprobate said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Judging on the results is one thing, but the accusations of bias are a bit over the top. Our starting side is hardly crusader heavy.
Criticism for the bench and the selections for this test are thoroughly justified. The squad too, to an extent.His selections have been questioned outside of franchise bias, so it's not just that. Fihaki's rapid elevation is probably the only area that's really been a WTF moment in that area.
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@reprobate said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Nepia agreed, some poor decisions for sure. But there have been a shitload of accusations of bias.
Every coach gets that, Fozzie got it over Chiefs players he'd never coached before.
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@Duluth said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Ryan has shown his bias since the first AB XV selection he made. The players are talking about it
I believe very strongly that Hoskins should have been picked. Outside of that, who are you talking about? I don't really see anyone else compelling who would contend for a starting spot.
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@brodean said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Robertson got a side where the bulk of the players were a whisker away from winning and RWC.
To be fair, core and legendary players retired after the RWC, arguably the top AB coach left (I think it was Schmidt*, others can argue it was Foster), and the RWC was the high point of Foster's time, the overall period was not that impressive at all.
*Australia may be 10th officially, but he has installed belief and potential in a very young squad whose confidence is likely to have been obliterated by Fast Eddie.
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@reprobate said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Duluth said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Ryan has shown his bias since the first AB XV selection he made. The players are talking about it
I believe very strongly that Hoskins should have been picked. Outside of that, who are you talking about? I don't really see anyone else compelling who would contend for a starting spot.
Akira Ioane. If a coach can pick players who are retiring, they can also pick players before they go overseas.
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@nostrildamus said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@reprobate said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Duluth said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Ryan has shown his bias since the first AB XV selection he made. The players are talking about it
I believe very strongly that Hoskins should have been picked. Outside of that, who are you talking about? I don't really see anyone else compelling who would contend for a starting spot.
Akira Ioane. If a coach can pick players who are retiring, they can also pick players before they go overseas.
There's also the argument that if they wanted Akira Ioane he wouldn't be going overseas at all....
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@KiwiMurph said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@nostrildamus said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@reprobate said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Duluth said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Ryan has shown his bias since the first AB XV selection he made. The players are talking about it
I believe very strongly that Hoskins should have been picked. Outside of that, who are you talking about? I don't really see anyone else compelling who would contend for a starting spot.
Akira Ioane. If a coach can pick players who are retiring, they can also pick players before they go overseas.
There's also the argument that if they wanted Akira Ioane he wouldn't be going overseas at all....
Not going there. I think that as well, but don't have the evidence. I do think he would have been better at 6 than Finau and most of the others.
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@KiwiMurph said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@nostrildamus said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@reprobate said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Duluth said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Ryan has shown his bias since the first AB XV selection he made. The players are talking about it
I believe very strongly that Hoskins should have been picked. Outside of that, who are you talking about? I don't really see anyone else compelling who would contend for a starting spot.
Akira Ioane. If a coach can pick players who are retiring, they can also pick players before they go overseas.
There's also the argument that if they wanted Akira Ioane he wouldn't be going overseas at all....
Of course that’s true
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It's a bit unusual that the two premier positions in All Black rugby namely open side flanker and first five have such shallow depth.
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@canefan said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Victor-Meldrew said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@canefan said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@sparky said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Jet I think we'll be Quarter Finalists at best in the next two World Cups. The Golden era for NZ Rugby is well and truly over.
Look how fast the Foster era turned around when Schmidt and Ryan came on board. There is hope, we have some very good players. But so far Razor is not picking them and IMHO not quite playing a style that translates to test level. But to me it feels like a few tweaks in gameplan and personnel and we could right things dramatically
I don't know if the rumours about Schmidt not wanting to work with Robertson are true or not, but NZR were besotted with the idea of a fresh start with Robertson at the helm for 4 years and must have known they were losing key expertise and experience NZR have made their bed and it's up to them to support Robertson in any way they can.
The last thing we need is another man-management debacle like we had with Foster last year. No coach deserves that.
The rumours that Razor went to HQ and threatened to leave NZ if he didn't get the ABs job are apparently true. So they made their choice
I don't think letting your bosses know you're looking at moving on if there's nowhere up for you to go is typically considered threatening? If they're any good and value you, they'd want to know that...
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@KiwiMurph said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@frugby said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Scott Robertson was rightly hyped as the best coach in the fricken world
Rightly hyped as the best coach in the world despite never coaching test rugby and never coaching club rugby in Europe?
What?
Yeah far out haha, best coach in the world! Something only Cantabrians would say.
