All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
No time for sentimentality when our form is bad, so;
Cane
Perenara
Reece
Aumua
Jacobsen
Havili
Barrett BNow saying I'd be happy not seeing them in Black again isn't quite the same as advocating none of them should play this weekend. That would be too disruptive, but I wouldn't be taking any of them to the NH. They're either past it or haven't got it. Patrick T fits those criteria too in an ideal world.
....way to kill the game
savea to the bench?
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Ha ha BB at 10. Cue the meltdowns
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
All I will say is, thanks to terrible squad selections and Crusader bias, the 23 we are putting out this year is nowhere near as strong as it could be
Agree Havili shouldn’t be there but isn’t there more of a Chiefs bias in that 23?
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Jeez management a lot more conservative than I thought they would be.
Maybe hoping on high emotion as a send off for the seniors.
Disappointed Plummer, Darry, Love, Proctor, Paps haven't been given much of a run this year.
Coulda, shoulda used the second half sub system better. Putting someone on for 5 minutes is fruitless -
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Razor, for all his talk, is frozen in the spotlight and unable to think beyond 'not losing'
Yeah, seems that way.
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The saving grace is we have a tight 5 of some ability.
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@Landers92 your worcestershire is top shelf
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.
Nawera for Reece or Telea.
Sotutu
Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
Plummer to actually be usedAnd that’s just the tip of my head.
Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.
I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.
I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.
Glad you weren't selecting when Nonu or Kaino were around.
I've literally said I'd pick Sotutu. More just pointing out that there is no guarantee he is a success like some people think he would be.
just so i am clear, your argument is, that while the current guys suck, we shouldn't drop them because the replacements might suck too?
No, my argument is that we could change them, but I don't think it will really make a difference, so I am fairly indifferent to it.
I think a lot of people think that by picking other players it will improve the All Blacks performance, but I honestly think last week's team as pretty close to the best 23 players in the country.
Certainly 7 out of 8 of that pack are. Cane v Papalii v Whoever else is negligible. Take out Reece for whoever you like, and I think most would say that is the best backline.
Aumua would miss out to Samasoni if fit, Tosi v Newell is negligible, Darry v Tuipulotu is negligible, Perenara would miss out to Roigard if fit, Beauden would be in for Plummer as an impact sub.
In other words, the only place where you could potentially change things and see real change would be the loose forwards.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Time for a 1974 style clean-out (15 debutants in a squad of 25)
We need a Cavaliers tour to Russia.
I'm intrigued as to whether we are going to learn anything new from this team. I would suggest not. It is quite possible that we will be shit a the beginning and finish well, as opposed to the other way around though.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.
Nawera for Reece or Telea.
Sotutu
Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
Plummer to actually be usedAnd that’s just the tip of my head.
Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.
I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.
I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.
Glad you weren't selecting when Nonu or Kaino were around.
I've literally said I'd pick Sotutu. More just pointing out that there is no guarantee he is a success like some people think he would be.
just so i am clear, your argument is, that while the current guys suck, we shouldn't drop them because the replacements might suck too?
No, my argument is that we could change them, but I don't think it will really make a difference, so I am fairly indifferent to it.
I think a lot of people think that by picking other players it will improve the All Blacks performance, but I honestly think last week's team as pretty close to the best 23 players in the country.
Certainly 7 out of 8 of that pack are. Cane v Papalii v Whoever else is negligible. Take out Reece for whoever you like, and I think most would say that is the best backline.
Aumua would miss out to Samasoni if fit, Tosi v Newell is negligible, Darry v Tuipulotu is negligible, Perenara would miss out to Roigard if fit, Beauden would be in for Plummer as an impact sub.
In other words, the only place where you could potentially change things and see real change would be the loose forwards.
OK.
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
All I will say is, thanks to terrible squad selections and Crusader bias, the 23 we are putting out this year is nowhere near as strong as it could be
Agree Havili shouldn’t be there but isn’t there more of a Chiefs bias in that 23?
Bias only applies if the players concerned get picked but don't deserve their spot....
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.
Nawera for Reece or Telea.
Sotutu
Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
Plummer to actually be usedAnd that’s just the tip of my head.
Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.
I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.
I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.
Glad you weren't selecting when Nonu or Kaino were around.
I've literally said I'd pick Sotutu. More just pointing out that there is no guarantee he is a success like some people think he would be.
just so i am clear, your argument is, that while the current guys suck, we shouldn't drop them because the replacements might suck too?
No, my argument is that we could change them, but I don't think it will really make a difference, so I am fairly indifferent to it.
I think a lot of people think that by picking other players it will improve the All Blacks performance, but I honestly think last week's team as pretty close to the best 23 players in the country.
Certainly 7 out of 8 of that pack are. Cane v Papalii v Whoever else is negligible. Take out Reece for whoever you like, and I think most would say that is the best backline.
Aumua would miss out to Samasoni if fit, Tosi v Newell is negligible, Darry v Tuipulotu is negligible, Perenara would miss out to Roigard if fit, Beauden would be in for Plummer as an impact sub.
In other words, the only place where you could potentially change things and see real change would be the loose forwards.
OK.
That's one of my favourite gifs. Nice to have a little joy on this thread for one moment at least
