All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
The on field leadership issue has been around for years and I'm not sure it's the senior players who have left who have caused the problem.
What's worrying is it seems to be getting worse - we now seem to capitulate/fall apart when under pressure in the last 20 as if it's normal.
I find it difficult to comprehend the onfield leadership is much worse now when the foster years had so many disappointing performances as well , it’s just confusing and sounds like people are selective where they want to lie the blame .
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
The on field leadership issue has been around for years and I'm not sure it's the senior players who have left who have caused the problem.
What's worrying is it seems to be getting worse - we now seem to capitulate/fall apart when under pressure in the last 20 as if it's normal.
I find it difficult to comprehend the onfield leadership is much worse now when the foster years had so many disappointing performances as well , it’s just confusing and sounds like people are selective where they want to lie the blame .
Unware I blamed anyone and pointed out it had been going on for years so don't get your selective comment.
My point is it's been on a downward slide for quite some time, maybe since 2018. There seemed to be an up-tick last year - Ellis Park, RWC - but it now seems to be getting worse again. We blew a 19 point lead with 10 minutes to go against England a couple of years back and that sort of collapse has happened 2-3 times so far this year.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But, firstly, Richie's got to take the jersey back and even assuming he does, maybe DMac really wants to win a RWC.
Maybe this time Richie wants to?
3rd times a charm…!?
Might need four goes - took Danny boy that many to properly win one!
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Feels like quite a big test for Aumua... has not been good enough for the ABs, and assuming Taukei'aho is not back (which would be bad news for him anyway) Bell is likely to get a crack against Japan, either starting or off the bench.
If Bell goes well, with how Aumua has gone they would be well within their rights to leave Aumua out.
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#23!!
Lam has more potential in the midfield than DH and I'd argue there are better fullbacks. Interesting that TJP has nearly as many caps as Savea. -
I hope that bench is literally strong enough, it is going to have to hold up two 140+kg props!
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Well, 6 of the bench are certainly dangerous with ball in hand (probably 5 given Aumua’s recent form). Two of them basically created most of our attack last week so let’s see what they can do in 12 minutes.
Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.
Havili just feels like bait to me. However he is there so I hope we goes well.
If we smash them (which I expect), this is likely going to be our new best 23….
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@Landers92 your inside oil was on the money.
That 23 is laughably conservative.
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All I will say is, thanks to terrible squad selections and Crusader bias, the 23 we are putting out this year is nowhere near as strong as it could be.
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Yes the All Black squad is not supposed to be a training squad for fading Crusaders.
At least for the initial games it was understandable they went for experience and players that they could quickly fit into strategy, but that is beginning to wear thin. He/they can either coach new talent or they can't. -
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Havili just feels like bait to me. However he is there so I hope we goes well.
Unfortunately it couldn't be anyone else from the squad as Proctor doesn't provide 2nd 5 cover, and neither does Ioane. Robertson's comment seem to imply that DMac is the fullback cover too.
"Damian McKenzie can provide experienced cover at both first-five and fullback, as Beauden has previously, and it is great to bring David Havili in to complete the 23, providing strong depth across the back line. We are excited about the opportunity this week to put in a complete performance against the Wallabies in Wellington.”
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i just dont get it....players play well...and are rotated out after a game....others dont play well and play 80 every week
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yes the All Black squad is not supposed to be a training squad for fading Crusaders.
I don't give a crap about the 'fading crusaders' they are only part of the problem. Tj and BB, Cane? Two are gone at the end of the season and one is well past his best before, esp at 10. Ardie needs a rcoket and should be on the bench at most. This is a pathetic inwards looking selection of caps, not players. Razor, for all his talk, is frozen in the spotlight and unable to think beyond 'not losing'
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.
Get off it. Finau was our starting blindside at the start of the year and was dropped because he was poor - universally agreed by everyone. You'll never guess where Jacobson comes from either...
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The TJ, BB and Havili selections are an absolute wasted opportunity.
Ratima needs to keep starting, with Hotham getting time off the bench.
If you want to rest DMac, give Plummer a fucking decent go.
Havili, my god, my 96 year old Grandma would be more threatening to an international defensive line. Any of the other squad outside backs would be better options, even those not in the squad would be better - Lam, Evans, Z Sullivan, Poihipi, Tupaea
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Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
personally i think we dont actually know some of the names not picked wont fix things...because they dont get a run...and even if they do they get dropped even if they play well
