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  • canefanC Offline
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    replied to frugby on last edited by
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    @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

    The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

    That's a very presumptuous post. With little to no actual empirical game day evidence to support

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    @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    They have no other options in the front row

    Yes they do. They have Bell. Supposedly he's highly rated. He looked good in limited minutes vs Fiji. Aumua has been disappointing. Where is he?

    I'd play Bell, no arguments from me, but I'm guessing (like Hotham) they're viewed more so as options for the future. Bell particularly is probably still a couple of years away from being a proper option at test level and is only there because Taukei'aho is injured.

    Aumua in theory has the goods, so I can see why they are persisting with him.

    Then in the meantime you have no selection pressure on Aumua (or Taylor) and if either were injured Bell would be forced to play anyway.

    If Bell is good enough to play vs Fiji off the bench he's good enough to play off the bench in a dead rubber Bledisloe.

    And if he isn't good enough (now), he should be a training member of the squad and they should bring in someone who can put selection pressure on Aumua.

    The boy from Waikato will overtake Aumua when fit

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  • mariner4lifeM Offline
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    wrote on last edited by mariner4life
    #360

    of all the All Black teams ever named, this is definitely one of them

    Tight 5 all good. Settled and in form (i hope EdG remembers to chase with his feet when he is handing Tupou his ass this week).
    Loosies? Well Cane deserves a send off, fuck you haters. He was very average last week, but short memories he was big in SA. Sititi earned his retention. I just need to get used to Savea being picked every single minute of every single test for some ungodly fucking reason. I'm actually happy Sotutu wasn't selected so he wasn't getting 10 minutes at blindside every week and this being used as evidence he's no good.

    TJP at halfback is terrible. Has not earned the same treatment as Sam Cane.
    Am i glad someone else is getting minutes at 10? yes. Am i happy it's BBarrett? No. Kick passes back on teh menu this week?
    Midfield as expected but ALB needs to find his old form.
    Reece is lucky he's been slightly better than Telea this year.
    Okay so Jordan is the fullback. At least he won't kick all our ball away. I hope he's worked on his defensive positioning this week because that first Aussie try last week was embarrassing.

    Aumua is lucky Sami is hurt and there is literally noone else.
    I feel for Darry, he hasn't nailed his "have 10 minutes at the end and be good" role. Doubt Pat does either.
    Jacobson is a jobber.
    Ratima and DMac all good.
    Lol at Havili. We're still picking the bench as old school reserves, there to cover injury. Wasted spot on a proven failure.

    We'll win by heaps despite the Wellington curse. I just hope that we do it while a few incumbents find some form if they are going to be on the team sheet every frikken week.

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  • DonsteppaD Offline
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    replied to Duluth on last edited by
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    @Duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    Sooo Blackadder not on the injured list. Has he fallen out of favour?

    He wasn't on the injured list last week either. But he was injured

    Perhaps just taken as read, in his case...! 🙂

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    wrote on last edited by Machpants
    #362

    Ethan de Groot, Codie Taylor, Tyrel Lomax, Scott Barrett (c), Tupou Vaa’i, Ethan Blackadder, Dalton Papali'i, Wallace Sititi, Cortez Ratima, Harry Plummer, Caleb Clarke, Anton Lienert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, Will Jordan, Beauden Barrett

    Reserves: Asafo Aumua, Tamaiti Williams, Pasilio Tosi, Patrick Tuipulotu, Ardie Savea, Noah Hotham, Damian McKenzie, Proctor

    Risk at 12, with Plummer covering (or Ardie!) but a) it's only OZ and b) Havili is a busted flush - move the fuck on

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  • dogmeatD Offline
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    @Kirwan Of the 23 there are seven I would happily never see in an AB side again and another I would drop

    Time for a 1974 style clean-out (15 debutants in a squad of 25)?

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    #364

    @dogmeat fun game for another thread maybe, who are the 7 🤔

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  • dogmeatD Offline
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    replied to Kiwiwomble on last edited by
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    @Kiwiwomble

    No time for sentimentality when our form is bad, so;

    Cane
    Perenara
    Reece
    Aumua
    Jacobsen
    Havili
    Barrett B

    Now saying I'd be happy not seeing them in Black again isn't quite the same as advocating none of them should play this weekend. That would be too disruptive, but I wouldn't be taking any of them to the NH. They're either past it or haven't got it. Patrick T fits those criteria too in an ideal world.

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  • Windows97W Offline
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    #366

    TJ and BB starting just makes me weep, I'd prefer Hotham and Plummer as at least then it would show an intent to try and build something for the future. The coaching pharse I believe is "wasting reps" and this is a complete waste.

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    @dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @Kiwiwomble

    No time for sentimentality when our form is bad, so;

    Cane
    Perenara
    Reece
    Aumua
    Jacobsen
    Havili
    Barrett B

    Now saying I'd be happy not seeing them in Black again isn't quite the same as advocating none of them should play this weekend. That would be too disruptive, but I wouldn't be taking any of them to the NH. They're either past it or haven't got it. Patrick T fits those criteria too in an ideal world.

    ....way to kill the game 😉

    savea to the bench?

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  • Rancid SchnitzelR Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #368

    Ha ha BB at 10. Cue the meltdowns

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    replied to No Quarter on last edited by
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    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    All I will say is, thanks to terrible squad selections and Crusader bias, the 23 we are putting out this year is nowhere near as strong as it could be

    Agree Havili shouldn’t be there but isn’t there more of a Chiefs bias in that 23?

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    wrote on last edited by
    #370

    Wouldn’t think it is a dead rubber as far as the Wallabies are concerned either - they must be pretty keen to improve their world ranking and what better way to do that than against ABs away from home

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  • NTAN Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #371

    Bell
    Faessler
    Tupou
    Frost
    Williams
    Valetini
    McReight
    Wilson
    Gordon
    Lolesio
    Pietsch
    Paisami
    Ikitau
    Kellaway
    Wright

    BPA
    Kailea
    AAA
    LSL
    Gleeson
    Taint
    Donaldson
    Flook

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  • NTAN Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #372

    I don't mind that team but have to question the continued selection of Lolesio. Best of a bad bunch I guess, but I'm not convinced even that is true

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    wrote on last edited by BerniesCorner
    #373

    Jeez management a lot more conservative than I thought they would be.
    Maybe hoping on high emotion as a send off for the seniors.
    Disappointed Plummer, Darry, Love, Proctor, Paps haven't been given much of a run this year.
    Coulda, shoulda used the second half sub system better. Putting someone on for 5 minutes is fruitless

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  • NTAN Offline
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    #374

    Wallabies changes:
    9 Gordon (White dropped*)
    11 Pietsch (Marika injured)

    17 Kailea (Slipper dropped*)
    22 Donaldson (Lynagh dropped*)
    23 Flook (Pietsch promoted)

    *I'm guessing they're dropped.

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    replied to Machpants on last edited by Frank
    #375

    @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    Razor, for all his talk, is frozen in the spotlight and unable to think beyond 'not losing'

    Yeah, seems that way.
    Far less bold than I thought he'd be.

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  • BerniesCornerB Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #376

    The saving grace is we have a tight 5 of some ability.

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  • DuluthD Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #377

    The same thing I said before last weeks match applies to this one

    I expect NZ to win by 30. Pass/fail mark is ~20 points

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