Black Caps v Australia
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Was hopeful but not optimistic heading into the days play given who Oz had at the crease, the way their tail plays these days and the fact that the wicket was only getting better for the batting side.
Agree with others that the biggest disappointment is the dropped catches. We simply do not have enough class (with the ball and bat) to drop catches. In my view we need take 90-95% of catching opportunities plus have a bit of luck go our way to be really in it.
Kudos to Henry for winning player of the series. Not bad in a 0-2 result. Time we found some proper support for him to really flourish rather than flash in the pan because we heap the pressure on him.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v Australia:
We were always 70/80 runs short, with Southee leading the attack we are just treading water with an inability to strike as often as we needed to.
A bowling attack of Henry,O'Rourke,Sears backed by Santner as we need some one to hold an end down when the ball is old and Phillips is now a genuine option.That attack could bowl sides out cheaply, Jamieson when back then we have the option of bowling 4 quicks and not playing Santner.
Sorry Timmy but you are just wasting the new ball now time to gracefully retire.I don't think Tim will go on his own. And I think NZC are too spineless to fire Stead. Only hope is Stead walks, a new coach comes in and, like Hesson before him, picks a new Captain and demotes Tim. It was always an odd selection choice, considering that Latham had been the 2IC for several seasons and was the logical choice to take the job when Kane gave it up. This is going to hold up any recovery for some time IMHO
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Man you all sound like Wallaby fans. I understand it innately but it's just such loser talk. Stuff like:
@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Australia:
Was hopeful but not optimistic heading into the days play given who Oz had at the crease, the way their tail plays these days and the fact that the wicket was only getting better for the batting side.
I'm sorry but you had Australia 5/80 chasing 280. You've just got to win that game. Even at 7/220 you still should have won. Pitch wasn't a minefield but it was far from a road.
It's like Wallaby fans like me who are shitting themselves when they are up by 24 points midway through the second half, then going 'well you just have to tip your hats to the ABs' when they inevitably capitulate and lose by 12.
No, you don't have to tip your fucking hat to them, that's what got us into this mess in the first place. It's loser talk and if you let it linger it starts to seep into the carpet, and then the walls, and then you are stuck with it forever.
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that and you just can't allow it to keep happening. I've got a therapist you can talk to who's done wonders with me and a few of my Wallaby fan mates - can DM their number if needed.
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@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that
'You are a way better side than that'
No they aren't.
Southee is on fumes and SK ain't a test player.
That's two fifths of the attack.
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Australia:
That's two fifths of the attack.
It's half our attack - we just got lucky with GP turning into a proper spinner for a while
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Australia:
@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that
'You are a way better side than that'
No they aren't.
Southee is on fumes and SK ain't a test player.
That's two fifths of the attack.
SK bowled THREE overs ?!?!?
Fucken hell that is ridiculously embarrassing for a frontline seamer
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@NTA said in Black Caps v Australia:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Australia:
Fancy Daryl Mitchell saying after the match that "we won't be defined by our results'
WTF of course the team is defined by their resultsThat's some real Bazball thinking
4-1 in India but I’m sure they played some entertaining cricket
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Australia:
@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that
'You are a way better side than that'
No they aren't.
Southee is on fumes and SK ain't a test player.
That's two fifths of the attack.
This is still roughly the same team that won the World Test Championship. By the standards of test cricket you'd only have them behind India and Australia. That may say more about the standard of test cricket than the Black Caps, but still...
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Australia:
@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that
'You are a way better side than that'
No they aren't.
Southee is on fumes and SK ain't a test player.
That's two fifths of the attack.
nah, they choked. 9 dropped catches. Even with tweedle dee and tweedle dum they still could have won. Yes, those two handicapped the team further but we still found a way to lose.
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@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Australia:
@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that
'You are a way better side than that'
No they aren't.
Southee is on fumes and SK ain't a test player.
That's two fifths of the attack.
This is still roughly the same team that won the World Test Championship. By the standards of test cricket you'd only have them behind India and Australia. That may say more about the standard of test cricket than the Black Caps, but still...
Southee has declined and Boult, Wags and Jamieson aren’t there.
Taylor, CDGH and Watling have retired, Conway is injured.
I think you’re delirious with victory celebrations…..
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@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Australia:
@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that
'You are a way better side than that'
No they aren't.
Southee is on fumes and SK ain't a test player.
That's two fifths of the attack.
This is still roughly the same team that won the World Test Championship. By the standards of test cricket you'd only have them behind India and Australia. That may say more about the standard of test cricket than the Black Caps, but still...
pfft ahahaha you're waaaaay off base there
did they have the same crest on their shirts? yes. is it the same team? absolutely not.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@NTA said in Black Caps v Australia:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Australia:
Fancy Daryl Mitchell saying after the match that "we won't be defined by our results'
WTF of course the team is defined by their resultsThat's some real Bazball thinking
4-1 in India but I’m sure they played some entertaining cricket
I'll fight you bastards on this one.
Won the first test.
Competitive to having an advantage in two of the next three.
Pumped in the last test.
They did very well for a team touring India. Toughest place in the world to tour.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@NTA said in Black Caps v Australia:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Australia:
Fancy Daryl Mitchell saying after the match that "we won't be defined by our results'
WTF of course the team is defined by their resultsThat's some real Bazball thinking
4-1 in India but I’m sure they played some entertaining cricket
I'll fight you bastards on this one.
Won the first test.
Competitive to having an advantage in two of the next three.
Pumped in the last test.
They did very well for a team touring India. Toughest place in the world to tour.
onya Stokesy (or is it michael vaughan?) keep fighting the good fight mate
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@NTA said in Black Caps v Australia:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Australia:
Fancy Daryl Mitchell saying after the match that "we won't be defined by our results'
WTF of course the team is defined by their resultsThat's some real Bazball thinking
4-1 in India but I’m sure they played some entertaining cricket
I'll fight you bastards on this one.
Won the first test.
Competitive to having an advantage in two of the next three.
Pumped in the last test.
They did very well for a team touring India. Toughest place in the world to tour.
They were pumped in the last three tests.
How is losing by 434 runs not a pumping ? Good god man.
The whole Bazball ethos of having a go, entertaining ( and in this case completely fucking things up ) and not worrying about results is the very reason I’ll cheer any team ( even India ) over England at the moment. The fact Daryl Mitchell is echoing this nonsense in radio interviews is deeply offensive too.
Look, I don’t want to go back to the days of Geoffrey Boycott/Chris Tavare but teams have to play to conditions and it sounds like England emphatically didn’t.
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@barbarian we have one decent bowler, a rookie and two trundlers in a sport that you have to take 20 wickets. It’s called being realistic.
And yes the comparison with the Wallabies isn’t a bad one because it reminds me of the Wallaby backline in 2016 when they hung their hat on an aging Giteau, had an unspectacular Foley at 1st 5, a rookie in Haylett-Petty, Kurindrani and centre who had barely fired a shot against the ABs but was okay against lesser teams, but hey we only won by 30, not 40…
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@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Australia:
@__barbarian we have one decent bowler, a rookie and two trundlers in a sport that you have to take 20 wickets. It’s called being realistic.__
And yes the comparison with the Wallabies isn’t a bad one because it reminds me of the Wallaby backline in 2016 when they hung their hat on an aging Giteau, had an unspectacular Foley at 1st 5, a rookie in Haylett-Petty, Kurindrani and centre who had barely fired a shot against the ABs but was okay against lesser teams, but hey we only won by 30, not 40…
We have a good spinner too…..
But I’d argue the terrific pace attack we used to have is the main reason for our decline here.
I think @virgil said this series was a couple of years late. What we’d have given for a fit and firing combo of Boult, Southee, Jamieson and Wags. You just get the feeling they’d have more than made up for the top order misfiring.
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Our bowling attack still could have got the twenty wickets though, bascially our batsmen let us down the whole series. If just one of the batters who got a 50 in that second innings stuck arround to get a score like Green did, the we have an extra 100 runs and probably win the game.
