Black Caps v Australia
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Australia:
@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that
'You are a way better side than that'
No they aren't.
Southee is on fumes and SK ain't a test player.
That's two fifths of the attack.
This is still roughly the same team that won the World Test Championship. By the standards of test cricket you'd only have them behind India and Australia. That may say more about the standard of test cricket than the Black Caps, but still...
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Australia:
@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that
'You are a way better side than that'
No they aren't.
Southee is on fumes and SK ain't a test player.
That's two fifths of the attack.
nah, they choked. 9 dropped catches. Even with tweedle dee and tweedle dum they still could have won. Yes, those two handicapped the team further but we still found a way to lose.
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@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Australia:
@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that
'You are a way better side than that'
No they aren't.
Southee is on fumes and SK ain't a test player.
That's two fifths of the attack.
This is still roughly the same team that won the World Test Championship. By the standards of test cricket you'd only have them behind India and Australia. That may say more about the standard of test cricket than the Black Caps, but still...
Southee has declined and Boult, Wags and Jamieson aren’t there.
Taylor, CDGH and Watling have retired, Conway is injured.
I think you’re delirious with victory celebrations…..
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@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Australia:
@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
So take this as the compliment it's meant to be - you choked that. Hard. You are a way better side than that
'You are a way better side than that'
No they aren't.
Southee is on fumes and SK ain't a test player.
That's two fifths of the attack.
This is still roughly the same team that won the World Test Championship. By the standards of test cricket you'd only have them behind India and Australia. That may say more about the standard of test cricket than the Black Caps, but still...
pfft ahahaha you're waaaaay off base there
did they have the same crest on their shirts? yes. is it the same team? absolutely not.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@NTA said in Black Caps v Australia:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Australia:
Fancy Daryl Mitchell saying after the match that "we won't be defined by our results'
WTF of course the team is defined by their resultsThat's some real Bazball thinking
4-1 in India but I’m sure they played some entertaining cricket
I'll fight you bastards on this one.
Won the first test.
Competitive to having an advantage in two of the next three.
Pumped in the last test.
They did very well for a team touring India. Toughest place in the world to tour.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@NTA said in Black Caps v Australia:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Australia:
Fancy Daryl Mitchell saying after the match that "we won't be defined by our results'
WTF of course the team is defined by their resultsThat's some real Bazball thinking
4-1 in India but I’m sure they played some entertaining cricket
I'll fight you bastards on this one.
Won the first test.
Competitive to having an advantage in two of the next three.
Pumped in the last test.
They did very well for a team touring India. Toughest place in the world to tour.
onya Stokesy (or is it michael vaughan?) keep fighting the good fight mate
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@NTA said in Black Caps v Australia:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Australia:
Fancy Daryl Mitchell saying after the match that "we won't be defined by our results'
WTF of course the team is defined by their resultsThat's some real Bazball thinking
4-1 in India but I’m sure they played some entertaining cricket
I'll fight you bastards on this one.
Won the first test.
Competitive to having an advantage in two of the next three.
Pumped in the last test.
They did very well for a team touring India. Toughest place in the world to tour.
They were pumped in the last three tests.
How is losing by 434 runs not a pumping ? Good god man.
The whole Bazball ethos of having a go, entertaining ( and in this case completely fucking things up ) and not worrying about results is the very reason I’ll cheer any team ( even India ) over England at the moment. The fact Daryl Mitchell is echoing this nonsense in radio interviews is deeply offensive too.
Look, I don’t want to go back to the days of Geoffrey Boycott/Chris Tavare but teams have to play to conditions and it sounds like England emphatically didn’t.
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@barbarian we have one decent bowler, a rookie and two trundlers in a sport that you have to take 20 wickets. It’s called being realistic.
And yes the comparison with the Wallabies isn’t a bad one because it reminds me of the Wallaby backline in 2016 when they hung their hat on an aging Giteau, had an unspectacular Foley at 1st 5, a rookie in Haylett-Petty, Kurindrani and centre who had barely fired a shot against the ABs but was okay against lesser teams, but hey we only won by 30, not 40…
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@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Australia:
@__barbarian we have one decent bowler, a rookie and two trundlers in a sport that you have to take 20 wickets. It’s called being realistic.__
And yes the comparison with the Wallabies isn’t a bad one because it reminds me of the Wallaby backline in 2016 when they hung their hat on an aging Giteau, had an unspectacular Foley at 1st 5, a rookie in Haylett-Petty, Kurindrani and centre who had barely fired a shot against the ABs but was okay against lesser teams, but hey we only won by 30, not 40…
We have a good spinner too…..
But I’d argue the terrific pace attack we used to have is the main reason for our decline here.
I think @virgil said this series was a couple of years late. What we’d have given for a fit and firing combo of Boult, Southee, Jamieson and Wags. You just get the feeling they’d have more than made up for the top order misfiring.
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Our bowling attack still could have got the twenty wickets though, bascially our batsmen let us down the whole series. If just one of the batters who got a 50 in that second innings stuck arround to get a score like Green did, the we have an extra 100 runs and probably win the game.
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@mariner4life @MN5 I watched a lot of that series. Good fun. I don't love England, but they competed hard and it took some very good play to beat them.
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps v Australia:
Our bowling attack still could have got the twenty wickets though, bascially our batsmen let us down the whole series. If just one of the batters who got a 50 in that second innings stuck arround to get a score like Green did, the we have an extra 100 runs and probably win the game.
Nope that's way too simplistic. 4 of the top 5 had to battle to make 50s with the ball regularly beating the bat and with Hazlewood and Cummins constantly probing. Eventually there is a ball with your name on it and you get a nick. We should have won that game from 5 down today - I wasn't able to watch much of it but from what I saw runs were being leaked away to low risk shots. With a target that size you need to make the opposition sweat for every run not bowl 1-2 an over at the leg stump to be tucked away.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia:
@mariner4life @MN5 I watched a lot of that series. Good fun. I don't love England, but they competed hard and it took some very good play to beat them.
I’m usually a big fan of your posts which makes me think maybe you’ve been hacked.
How is losing tests by 434 runs, 5 wickets and an innings and 64 runs “competing” ?
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia:
@mariner4life @MN5 I watched a lot of that series. Good fun. I don't love England, but they competed hard and it took some very good play to beat them.
I’m usually a big fan of your posts which makes me think maybe you’ve been hacked.
How is losing tests by 434 runs, 5 wickets and an innings and 64 runs “competing” ?
now you're making me doubt myself. I'll have a look tomorrow, see if I've misremembered this shit
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia:
@mariner4life @MN5 I watched a lot of that series. Good fun. I don't love England, but they competed hard and it took some very good play to beat them.
I’m usually a big fan of your posts which makes me think maybe you’ve been hacked.
How is losing tests by 434 runs, 5 wickets and an innings and 64 runs “competing” ?
now you're making me doubt myself. I'll have a look tomorrow, see if I've misremembered this shit
Admittedly I haven’t seen a single moment and am just going off the numbers but I’m fascinated to read your views, were you drinking
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Wallabies?
Make me think of an alternate timeline where Grizz Wylie tried to take the 91 All Blacks through to about 1994.
Same players, sane coach, same uniform. But about 20% extra shortcuts. 80% of the hunger.
It's been clear since they got beat by Sarel Erwee (who?) Just 2 tests after
gettingmissing a wake up call by Ebadot, that the senior players in this team had all but clocked out. That was 2 seasons ago.Stead been reappointed since, unopposed? Or unadvertised? Certainly was virtually unreported. It would actually be a quite attractive coaching job now, where as was very unattractive 2 years ago. Can get rid of Southee now, most of the other deadwood has been cleared, and move forward.
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@KiwiPie said in Black Caps v Australia:
@LABCAT said in Black Caps v Australia:
Our bowling attack still could have got the twenty wickets though, bascially our batsmen let us down the whole series. If just one of the batters who got a 50 in that second innings stuck arround to get a score like Green did, the we have an extra 100 runs and probably win the game.
Nope that's way too simplistic. 4 of the top 5 had to battle to make 50s with the ball regularly beating the bat and with Hazlewood and Cummins constantly probing. Eventually there is a ball with your name on it and you get a nick. We should have won that game from 5 down today - I wasn't able to watch much of it but from what I saw runs were being leaked away to low risk shots. With a target that size you need to make the opposition sweat for every run not bowl 1-2 an over at the leg stump to be tucked away.
Yeah at times we were bowling like we were defending 100 runs less; getting way too straight searching for wickets. We needed to stick to our strengths, bowl good lines and lengths and force them to work.
I was really hopeful that Southee would be a better captain. Williamson was solid but tended to be a bit conservative. Southee is a pretty canny bowler and I hoped he'd bring that tactical nous to how he managed his bowlers and bowling plans. Instead we too often look bereft of ideas, can never resist a review and bowl Southee too often. Worse than Kane ever was.
Who are the other genuine candidates? Latham, but he's struggling for form a bit so would the added burden make that worse? Mitchell, Conway and Henry are probably the only other guys that are automatic selections with sufficient experience, and none of them really seem to stand out as big time leaders, but that can be hard to judge from the outside.
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Test cricket is the best. Fine margins to a very good NZ test side. WOR, Henry, Sears and one other to find could be decent. Blundell is a good player going through a lean patch. KW, Latham, RR, DM are all very good players. GP could be mega. Keep the faith.
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@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Australia:
@KiwiPie said in Black Caps v Australia:
@LABCAT said in Black Caps v Australia:
Our bowling attack still could have got the twenty wickets though, bascially our batsmen let us down the whole series. If just one of the batters who got a 50 in that second innings stuck arround to get a score like Green did, the we have an extra 100 runs and probably win the game.
Nope that's way too simplistic. 4 of the top 5 had to battle to make 50s with the ball regularly beating the bat and with Hazlewood and Cummins constantly probing. Eventually there is a ball with your name on it and you get a nick. We should have won that game from 5 down today - I wasn't able to watch much of it but from what I saw runs were being leaked away to low risk shots. With a target that size you need to make the opposition sweat for every run not bowl 1-2 an over at the leg stump to be tucked away.
Yeah at times we were bowling like we were defending 100 runs less; getting way too straight searching for wickets. We needed to stick to our strengths, bowl good lines and lengths and force them to work.
I was really hopeful that Southee would be a better captain. Williamson was solid but tended to be a bit conservative. Southee is a pretty canny bowler and I hoped he'd bring that tactical nous to how he managed his bowlers and bowling plans. Instead we too often look bereft of ideas, can never resist a review and bowl Southee too often. Worse than Kane ever was.
Who are the other genuine candidates? Latham, but he's struggling for form a bit so would the added burden make that worse? Mitchell, Conway and Henry are probably the only other guys that are automatic selections with sufficient experience, and none of them really seem to stand out as big time leaders, but that can be hard to judge from the outside.
Good question. I don't mind the Mitchell option. He is aggressive in his attitude, although played the team "trust the process" card, but I suspect that is towing the line.
