Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s
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@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
It will be a bad day for cats then,I will be kicking a few cats if that happens.
I'll kick some dogs to balance it out. If @MiketheSnow's favourite Morgan makes it I'll kick an elephant.
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@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
Once again the Crusaders are the only team really giving young players or talented players new to their squad a proper shot.
say what now?
I know most teams will have similar stories but just from the HIghlanders, Millar and withy got starts last year for us
this year, hastie, haig, faleafaga and bell should all get starts, thats just off the top of my head
Two new ABs were pretty much new to SR this year but not from the saders....
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@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
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@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
Yeah, I just meant that the cru are giving opportunities to youngsters in DECISION-MAKING positions (9, 10, 12).
Of course, for every great selection the Crusaders have made over the years, they're also responsible for wacky ideas that were adopted by AB coaches e.g:
Brayden Ennor
Havili at 12
George Bridge as a 1st choice winger -
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
Yeah, I just meant that the cru are giving opportunities to youngsters in DECISION-MAKING positions (9, 10, 12).
Of course, for every great selection the Crusaders have made over the years, they're also responsible for wacky ideas that were adopted by AB coaches e.g:
Brayden Ennor
Havili at 12
George Bridge as a 1st choice wingerThe Crusaders are not responsible for AB selections that is a stupid statement.
The AB selectors are responsible for wacky ideas as you call it,and there have been plenty of those fuck ups,selections from a lot of teams. -
@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
Yeah, I just meant that the cru are giving opportunities to youngsters in DECISION-MAKING positions (9, 10, 12).
Of course, for every great selection the Crusaders have made over the years, they're also responsible for wacky ideas that were adopted by AB coaches e.g:
Brayden Ennor
Havili at 12
George Bridge as a 1st choice wingerThe Crusaders are not responsible for AB selections that is a stupid statement.
The AB selectors are responsible for wacky ideas as you call it,and there have been plenty of those fuck ups,selections from a lot of teams.Nope, didn't say Crusaders were responsible for AB selections. The cru management decided on those experiments at super level and then for unknown reasons the AB selectors thought that these same ideas would work at test level.
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Yeah fair enough but the Crusaders do not see it as wacky ideas as it helped win them 7 titles in 7 years.
You pick players in positions that win you titles that is not wacky ideas.
If the AB selectors can not determine who can make it at test level then we have the complete shit show we have had over the last 4 years.
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@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If @MiketheSnow's favourite Morgan makes it I'll kick an elephant.
Welsh guy likes player with Welsh name shock!
His parents spelt his first name wrong to be proper Welsh like though.
Probably the easiest time for quite a while to get a crack at the 10 jersey in the ABs. D Mac is effectively the incumbent (depending on where BB fits in) and he's hardly played there.
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@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
Yeah, I just meant that the cru are giving opportunities to youngsters in DECISION-MAKING positions (9, 10, 12).
hastie is a 9, millar a 10 and faleafaga a 10/12......
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Sadly hilarious isn't it
We got fucking lucky Mo'unga was another to just have the best 3 weekends of his career in the finals of the World Cup
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@Windows97 given only DMac is playing super, it gives at least 4 others a real opportunity to promote themselves.
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@taniwharugby That is true - I just really hope one of them stands up!!
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@taniwharugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Windows97 given only DMac is playing super, it gives at least 4 others a real opportunity to promote themselves.
This is why I am not a fan of signings like Rhys Patchell. He might take up one of those spots
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@Windows97 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
The main thing this thread shows is that there Dmac, BB and a vast expanse of disagreement filled daylight back to the third choice - who ever that may be.
I'm in the DMac followed by daylight category. And given the cat and dog kickers, I think I might not be alone.
This is one of the early hard decisions for Razor -- can he give Beauden the boot? He must know he should, but the howls of outrage will make it difficult.
(Choosing a captain is the other big one.)
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@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
if DH is starting at 12 for the Crusaders then they should not be favourite for the comp
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
“It’s their year” 😉
Havili is fine at 12 at SR level. We used him a little different than what we wanted at test level.
Still prefer him as a fullback.
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@Punch_up and for Bridge it did work for a short window! He was playing at a high level. The form and confidence took a hit but coaches were still giving him game time and the pressure and noise got louder.
I don’t think it had anything to to do with him being a Crusaders player per se, but more that they saw something when he was in a purple patch albeit a short period.
A lot of players have been given chances even when the noise has been louder and whilst the provincial card gets thrown around, I doubt it’s that. Unless you are Wayne Smith and Robbie Deans 😎
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@ACT-Crusader The anti-Havili narrative from some here is hilarious. He's been a certain starter at 12 for the Crusaders for years now and he's been really good there at SR level. They've won several titles with him at 12 and he's made a crucial contribution to those titles. He has also had some excellent games at 12 for the ABs (Port Elizabeth win, for example). Jordie is clearly the best 12 we have at test level at the moment, but that doesn't make Havili a bad 12. He's a handy squaddie.
Edited to add that I don't expect him to be in the ABs squad for long, if he makes it at all next year. If only due to his age and the fact that I expect some up-and-comers to overtake him. ALB in the same boat, IMO.
