All Blacks 2024
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
I'm not sure I have quite the same recollection @kpkanz, still not flattering for Foster, but my memory is that we were far too keen to spin it wide early and we looked our best when we hit it up the guts and got opposition defense on the back foot first. I think a lack of effective ball runners is hurting Razor's squad right now, but that's his fault for picking a whole lot of players like himself (bar Sititi) instead of players that can get us go forward.
Points off for at least kicking the tires of Akira and Hoskins. If he's that good a coach he should have been able to get a tune out of them where others have failed (Vern Cotter excepted)
I agree, especially when his strengths are meant to be man mgmt and getting the best out of players
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Why have the ABs become more beatable over the years? The IP has been given away to rivals who now know how to prepare for them.
In recent times:
Exhibit A - Joe Schmidt with Ireland.
Exhibit B - Gatland with the Lions.
Exhibit C - Tony Brown with the Boks
Erasmus: Understanding the All Blacks’ Mindset is Key to Springboks' Recent Success
Springboks coach Rassie Erasmus believes his South African side better understands the All Blacks' mentality.
Professionalism has negated the strengths NZ once had. Players and coaches go to the highest bidder. The ABs need to develop a new culture, a new DNA that binds the players, coaches and fans together again. Tricky spot to be in. I feel revolution is in the air, because evolution is not working.
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VIDEO: Boks boss hails All Black 'inside man' for Freedom Cup triumph - new zealand
REACTION: Head coach Rassie Erasmus said former All Blacks flyhalf Tony Brown has been a vital component in the Springboks' back-to-back wins over the All Blacks.
Erasmus added Jerry Flannery and Tony Brown to his coaching team, which is slowly proving to be another masterstroke by the 2019 World Cup-winning coach.
Erasmus revealed that Brown contributed immensely to the success and he gave the Springboks a better understanding of New Zealand, on and off the field.
“Tony [Brown] gave us a perspective on the All Blacks, which told us a lot about the things we didn’t understand. It makes us play better,” said Erasmus.
“We always respected them, but now we have a better understanding of how they think, from the haka to their players and the make-up of their team and how they do things.
“It’s quite amazing what he told us.”
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
VIDEO: Boks boss hails All Black 'inside man' for Freedom Cup triumph - new zealand
REACTION: Head coach Rassie Erasmus said former All Blacks flyhalf Tony Brown has been a vital component in the Springboks' back-to-back wins over the All Blacks.
Erasmus added Jerry Flannery and Tony Brown to his coaching team, which is slowly proving to be another masterstroke by the 2019 World Cup-winning coach.
Erasmus revealed that Brown contributed immensely to the success and he gave the Springboks a better understanding of New Zealand, on and off the field.
“Tony [Brown] gave us a perspective on the All Blacks, which told us a lot about the things we didn’t understand. It makes us play better,” said Erasmus.
“We always respected them, but now we have a better understanding of how they think, from the haka to their players and the make-up of their team and how they do things.
“It’s quite amazing what he told us.”
He’s just rubbing it in now. Talking it up just to troll us
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@DaGrubster Or is he? Tony has gone native
The good news for NZ is that when Tony Brown comes off contract, he will have loads of stories to tell the NZRU about Bok rugby if they want to employ him.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
Why have the ABs become more beatable over the years? The IP has been given away to rivals who now know how to prepare for them.
In recent times:
Exhibit A - Joe Schmidt with Ireland.
Exhibit B - Gatland with the Lions.
Exhibit C - Tony Brown with the Boks
Erasmus: Understanding the All Blacks’ Mindset is Key to Springboks' Recent Success
Springboks coach Rassie Erasmus believes his South African side better understands the All Blacks' mentality.
Professionalism has negated the strengths NZ once had. Players and coaches go to the highest bidder. The ABs need to develop a new culture, a new DNA that binds the players, coaches and fans together again. Tricky spot to be in. I feel revolution is in the air, because evolution is not working.
That picture disgusts me.
They are cozying up and condescending in equal measure. It's all mind games. Like Kolisi saying he was "so proud of Ardie". It puts you on a pedestal above the person you're paying the compliment to.
I actually do like the Roy Keane style......he hates lads shaking hands in the tunnel before games and swapping shirts on the pitch after a bad loss etc. Youre supposed to be going into battle.
In the first test in Ellis park Rieko got bundled into touch unceremoniously by De Allende.
Rieko was flat on his back and stuck his hand up for De Allende to pick him up.
De Allende just left him there and strode off with flared nostrils and chest puffed out.We are carrying on like we are the little brother in the fight.
Sure grab a beer with your opposite number in the sheds, but this Kolisi shite of the arm round the shoulder of Sititi giving it the old "well done young man you played well, keep the head down and work hard and youll go places". its a load of nonsense. You should be trying to break his ribs every time he gets the ball.
They are killing us with kindness while the knife is in the back. You wouldnt see them pulling stunts like that with Brad Thorn or Jerome Kaino.
Its mans work out there and we need to step up.
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Bro, that sort of thing has been happening forever. Probably not with Brad Thorn I guess as he was a highly experienced professional when he came into the ABs, so he's hardly going to get a 'well done young man'.
I don't understand why you think that a compliment from an aging opposition star after playing him for the first time would stop Wallace from wanting to fuck him up next game. If he thinks like you it would certainly add motivation in that direction, and if he takes it as a genuine compliment and it gives him added confidence at test level that's good too. Kolisi is a veteran RWC winning captain and Sititi is in his first run-on start - the pedestal is there whether you like it or not, it's not created by him saying 'well done mate' - and all ambitious young men forever want to knock people off their pedestal.The likes of de Groot, Taylor, Aumua, Samisoni, Cane aren't really back-down guys if you ask me. Clearly you lose a bit of hard man mana when you lose Retallick and Whitelock, that's to be expected. I'm all for more mongrel, but I reckon it's lack of composure that's killing us, not that.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
Bro, that sort of thing has been happening forever. Probably not with Brad Thorn I guess as he was a highly experienced professional when he came into the ABs, so he's hardly going to get a 'well done young man'.
I don't understand why you think that a compliment from an aging opposition star after playing him for the first time would stop Wallace from wanting to fuck him up next game. If he thinks like you it would certainly add motivation in that direction, and if he takes it as a genuine compliment and it gives him added confidence at test level that's good too. Kolisi is a veteran RWC winning captain and Sititi is in his first run-on start - the pedestal is there whether you like it or not, it's not created by him saying 'well done mate' - and all ambitious young men forever want to knock people off their pedestal.The likes of de Groot, Taylor, Aumua, Samisoni, Cane aren't really back-down guys if you ask me. Clearly you lose a bit of hard man mana when you lose Retallick and Whitelock, that's to be expected. I'm all for more mongrel, but I reckon it's lack of composure that's killing us, not that.
Sentiments echoed by Hall and Parsons on Aotearoa rugby pod last night. They suggested that mongrel and anger in isolation weren't helpful and could lead to indiscipline and poor execution. I don't think it was mongrel that let us down. It's poor decision making and execution at the wrong times
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
Why have the ABs become more beatable over the years? The IP has been given away to rivals who now know how to prepare for them.
In recent times:
Exhibit A - Joe Schmidt with Ireland.
Exhibit B - Gatland with the Lions.
Exhibit C - Tony Brown with the Boks
Erasmus: Understanding the All Blacks’ Mindset is Key to Springboks' Recent Success
Springboks coach Rassie Erasmus believes his South African side better understands the All Blacks' mentality.
Professionalism has negated the strengths NZ once had. Players and coaches go to the highest bidder. The ABs need to develop a new culture, a new DNA that binds the players, coaches and fans together again. Tricky spot to be in. I feel revolution is in the air, because evolution is not working.
That picture disgusts me.
They are cozying up and condescending in equal measure. It's all mind games. Like Kolisi saying he was "so proud of Ardie". It puts you on a pedestal above the person you're paying the compliment to.
I actually do like the Roy Keane style......he hates lads shaking hands in the tunnel before games and swapping shirts on the pitch after a bad loss etc. Youre supposed to be going into battle.
In the first test in Ellis park Rieko got bundled into touch unceremoniously by De Allende.
Rieko was flat on his back and stuck his hand up for De Allende to pick him up.
De Allende just left him there and strode off with flared nostrils and chest puffed out.We are carrying on like we are the little brother in the fight.
Sure grab a beer with your opposite number in the sheds, but this Kolisi shite of the arm round the shoulder of Sititi giving it the old "well done young man you played well, keep the head down and work hard and youll go places". its a load of nonsense. You should be trying to break his ribs every time he gets the ball.
They are killing us with kindness while the knife is in the back. You wouldnt see them pulling stunts like that with Brad Thorn or Jerome Kaino.
Its mans work out there and we need to step up.
Worth remembering that Ioane has acted like a bit of a tool on the field at times, that might be part of the reason
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Personally, I wouldn't necessarily expect a player to be helped up by the opposition. Never done in basketball for example. Congratulating each other on a good game once it's all done is an unrelated issue and speaks more to a general respect between the two teams.
I remember back in the Chieka Wallaby days (I think it was him??), he tried to instill a hatred of the ABs. It rarely worked
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...LOL, I call BS on this statement.
One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!
He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.
Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.
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@RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...LOL, I call BS on this statement.
One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!
He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.
Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.
And just because some of us say Sotutu deserves a chance, that's all that means. He earned a chance, that is all. Funny how the EB fanbois immediately conclude that we are saying he is the second coming. Razor ignored players who did well in winning teams and picked his guys despite their SR form and it hasn't worked out. And now he's taking some heat
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@RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...LOL, I call BS on this statement.
One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!
He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.
Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.
God you're repetitive and full of shit. He didn't walk into the starting side. The starting loosies against England were DP, AS, SF. EB and LJ had their first starts vs Fiji. EB performed, SF had not, and of the options available he earned the starting spot.
I wouldn't have picked him initially due to a lack of playing time, but he has performed well and justified his selection. Stats back that up.
To say he's been selected because he's the son of a mate paints you as quite the fluffybunny. -
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...LOL, I call BS on this statement.
One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!
He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.
Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.
And just because some of us say Sotutu deserves a chance, that's all that means. He earned a chance, that is all. Funny how the EB fanbois immediately conclude that we are saying he is the second coming. Razor ignored players who did well in winning teams and picked his guys despite their SR form and it hasn't worked out. And now he's taking some heat
I would have picked Hoskins, but I don't expect him to come in and be the finished article on day 1.
Who exactly are "Razor's guys" who haven't performed? Finau, Savea, TJP, Jordie, Rieko, Telea...? -
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...LOL, I call BS on this statement.
One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!
He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.
Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.
And just because some of us say Sotutu deserves a chance, that's all that means. He earned a chance, that is all. Funny how the EB fanbois immediately conclude that we are saying he is the second coming. Razor ignored players who did well in winning teams and picked his guys despite their SR form and it hasn't worked out. And now he's taking some heat
I would have picked Hoskins, but I don't expect him to come in and be the finished article on day 1.
Who exactly are "Razor's guys" who haven't performed? Finau, Savea, TJP, Jordie, Rieko, Telea...?I was mainly focussing on EB, as a response to earlier (not yours) posts. He's getting an easier road, some are not getting a crack. Normal in any team though I guess
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
I just want the best for the All Blacks. And that means leaving no stone unturned. Picking form guys in SR to see what the coaches can do with them would seem logical
Me too and I'm all for that, and have said numerous times that I would not have picked EB initially. I've changed my mind, because he has performed - the evidence is there that I was wrong and he was a good selection.
I remain confused as to why we need all three of Cane, Dalton and Jacobson, and I don't know why we needed to pick Sititi this early.
I just don't get why people are so hung up on EB still when what I'm seeing is a heap of others playing worse than him. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
I just want the best for the All Blacks. And that means leaving no stone unturned. Picking form guys in SR to see what the coaches can do with them would seem logical
Me too and I'm all for that, and have said numerous times that I would not have picked EB initially. I've changed my mind, because he has performed - the evidence is there that I was wrong and he was a good selection.
I remain confused as to why we need all three of Cane, Dalton and Jacobson, and I don't know why we needed to pick Sititi this early.
I just don't get why people are so hung up on EB still when what I'm seeing is a heap of others playing worse than him.That's fair. In the back 3 we will need a workhorse, and when Cane goes someone will have to do the grunt work. Maybe it will be Ethan. But we don't need two of them, as playing the more dynamic Sititi showed
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More update on Roigard, he looks raring to go after some impressive work in the gym.
'He’s squatting around 170 kilograms in the weight room and he ran a four minute, 29 Bronco'.
Cam Roigard’s outrageously impressive Bronco time during injury rehab
Cam Roigard appears to be nearing a return from injury, with former All Black Israel Dagg revealing an outrageously impressive fitness update.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
People complain about Finau not doing enough but he is better at the breakdown than Sititi. He reliably secures the ball.
I don't blame Sititi at all. He's being played out of position because they won't drop an out of form Savea. And the selector(s) binned Akira, dumped Finau without gradually introducing him to Test level footy, tried the perennially broken Blackadder and then said "here's your big chance mate, a position you didn't play in Super Rugby..."
Papali'i just gets to more breakdowns than Cane. He gets to breakdowns that Cane doesn't have the pace to get too. Razor desires a 15 man game with more width and Cane is not the guy for that game. The AB's and Cane improved under Foster when Schmidt took over because they started playing a narrower game plan that suits Cane's lack of mobility.
I'm not convinced that Cane is appreciably slower than Papali'i. He gets into the wide channels pretty damn well based on the last two outings. He's practically light speed compared to the glacial Blackadder.
You can play either of them but that's not where the issue lies.
