Canes vs Chiefs
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I think Naholo should be left to get a run of games and form. Otherwise he's basically being picked based on last year's super comp, and he doesn't have a solid body of AB work to fall back on. <br><br>
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<p>So Fekitoa is ineffective but Savea gets a pass?</p>
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<p> Yes because Savea, a bit like Joe Rokockoko, can step up when it counts. Fekitoa has yet to play a great game for the AB.</p> -
Geez anyone noticed how j savea got swept aside by pulu, a player with only 2 Super Rugby starts??<br><br>
Really a gem of a player the Chiefs unearthed there. Strong performances against Brumbies and canes. Sure hope he locks down the right wing position for the Chiefs. -
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<p>There is no way Barrett can start even if relieved of the kicking duties. He is very talented but doesn't control games well enough for international rugby and his kicking out of hand is also dodgy. He is probably going to just keep the 22 shirt.</p>
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<p>It's three tests against Wales.</p>
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<p>Never a better time to start BB.</p>
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<p>I wish Mrs Barrett had been born in Cardiff instead of Mrs Anscombe.</p> -
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<p>It's three tests against Wales.</p>
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<p>Never a better time to start BB.</p>
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<p>I wish Mrs Barrett had been born in Cardiff instead of Mrs Anscombe.</p>
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<p>Are you saying Wales are rubbish so we can experiment with Beauden :p</p> -
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<p>Are you saying Wales are rubbish so we can experiment with Beauden :P</p>
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<p>Not rubbish, but just enough challenge for him to show that he's the man for the job.</p>
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<p>Was in the members lounge for this game, and the question throughout was 'Why aren't they giving Woodward the kicks?'</p>
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<p>I suppose there is the politics of trying to get one of your guys into the All Blacks, but surely your best kicker should kick? No Upper Hutt bias here of course but Woodward is the better kicker.</p> -
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What hope do we have of fixing our shaky scrum? Is anyone due to return from injury?<br>
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Nathan Harris is a hooker and I guess he could help, what about props?</p></blockquote>
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Bird? Having that extra push from the locks does a great deal for your scrums too. Might be coincidental, but our scrums have held up when Seu or bird or even Tom tucker were playing in the lock department (second half vs Argentina, vs blues, vs Brumbies). -
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<p>Question for Chief's fans. </p>
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<p>What hope do we have of fixing our shaky scrum? Is anyone due to return from injury?</p>
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<p>Nathan Harris is a hooker and I guess he could help, what about props?</p>
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<p>For starters get Hika back starting at hooker. He makes a massive improvement over Marshall when he has the starting props beside him.</p> -
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<p>Was in the members lounge for this game, and the question throughout was 'Why aren't they giving Woodward the kicks?'</p>
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<p>I suppose there is the politics of trying to get one of your guys into the All Blacks, but surely your best kicker should kick? No Upper Hutt bias here of course but Woodward is the better kicker.</p>
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<p>Its very strange this. Also get Woodward to take the line kicking as well. Barrett seems to have gone to the pack in this regard. His line kicking even with no wind makes little distance now. Continuing with him as a kicker does his AB chances no good at all</p>
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<p>Woodward is also coming into some very good form now too. So select him at FB and let him do all of the line and goal kicking. Esp including when the team is hard on defense where Barrett is lucky if he gets beyond the 22</p> -
<p>That was a game the Canes should have one. Woodward should persist with the kicking duties from now on. Barrett is far too consistent and he is preventing us from winning the big games. Brilliant around the field and was far superior to Cruden on the night in that aspect but his kicking is shoddy. </p>
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<p>In regards to changes for the Lions I would probably bring in Abbott and Laumape to add a bit of physicality to the side against a big Lions team.</p>
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<p>My starting XV for Lions:</p>
<p>1. Reggie Goodes</p>
<p>2. Dane Coles</p>
<p>3. Jeff Toomaga Allen</p>
<p>4. Mark Abbott</p>
<p>5. Michael Fatialofa</p>
<p>6. Brad Shields</p>
<p>7. Ardie Savea</p>
<p>8. Victor Vito</p>
<p>9. TJ Perenara</p>
<p>10. Beauden Barrett</p>
<p>11. Julian Savea</p>
<p>12. Ngani Laumape (Comes in for Aso who looked injured on Sat)</p>
<p>13. Matt Proctor</p>
<p>14. Cory Jane</p>
<p>15. Jason Woodward</p>
<p>Reserves: 16. Motu Matu'u 17. Chris Eves 18. Ben May 19. Vaea Fifita 20. Blade Thomson 21. Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi 22. James Marshall 23. Vince Tavae Aso</p> -
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<p>For starters get Hika back starting at hooker. He makes a massive improvement over Marshall when he has the starting props beside him.</p>
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<p>You know Rennie seems to have his plusses and minuses as a super XV coach. </p>
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<p>His weakness is discerning that a player is a dud. Sometimes he wears rose tinted glasses towards some players and he has them on towards Marshall or he wouldn't have started.</p>
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<p>His strength is player development and raw coaching skills. Can you remember just how shite and lost Cruden was in the Canes number 10 jersey? Now he is arguably the best 10 in the comp. (I did say arguably so Barrett fans can count to ten).</p>
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<p>If Rennie ever became AB coach I would be tempted to make him work with a selection panel so he didn't put pet project players into the team.</p> -
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<p>Proctor does well in attack but his positioning in defense looks suspect. He also missed a vital tackle on Tamanivalu for the first Chiefs try. I would go with Laumape and Aso.</p>
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<p>To be fair if any four of Halaholo, Aso, Proctor, Laumape took the field I wouldn't be too displeased. They've all been fairly solid this year without doing anything overly flashy. I hope the competition between all four continues to keep those standards high.</p>
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<p>I would like to see Woodward retain his spot at Fullback. He played very well against the Chiefs (apart from the last second fumble). Hes really starting to come into his own at the back. I suppose a bit of game time and momentum has helped with that.</p> -
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<p>You know Rennie seems to have his plusses and minuses as a super XV coach. </p>
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<p>His weakness is discerning that a player is a dud. Sometimes he wears rose tinted glasses towards some players and he has them on towards Marshall or he wouldn't have started.</p>
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<p>His strength is player development and raw coaching skills. Can you remember just how shite and lost Cruden was in the Canes number 10 jersey? Now he is arguably the best 10 in the comp. (I did say arguably so Barrett fans can count to ten).</p>
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<p>If Rennie ever became AB coach I would be tempted to make him work with a selection panel so he didn't put pet project players into the team.</p>
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<p>Cruden did very well when he finally got to start</p> -
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<p>You know Rennie seems to have his plusses and minuses as a super XV coach. </p>
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<p>His weakness is discerning that a player is a dud. S<strong>ometimes he wears rose tinted glasses towards some players </strong>and he has them on towards Marshall or he wouldn't have started.</p>
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<p>His strength is player development and raw coaching skills. Can you remember just how shite and lost Cruden was in the Canes number 10 jersey? Now he is arguably the best 10 in the comp. (I did say arguably so Barrett fans can count to ten).</p>
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<p>If Rennie ever became AB coach I would be tempted to make him work with a selection panel so he didn't put pet project players into the team.</p>
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<p>Seems a bit rough to single him out for this - you can say the same about every NZ Super coach.</p>
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<p>Marshall got a start because the Chiefs worry about attrition, they've always got one hooker injured it seems, and Rennie likes to have squad players be ready to contribute when needed - which served them well the two years they won when they lost star midfielders two years in a row in the finals.</p> -
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<p>Not rubbish, but just enough challenge for him to show that he's the man for the job.</p>
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<p>He offers more than Cruden IMHO</p>
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<p>Rubbish he offers very little but an individual threat. He consistently fails to drive and control a game. He had all the ball in the second half and failed to fire his backline at all apart from a couple of individual bits of brilliance. Savea is starting to coming back into form but Beauden will not set up much for him. If Cruden was playing 10 for the Hurricanes they would have buried the Chiefs by 10 or 20 points with their forward dominance in the last 30 minutes and the whole hurricanes backline would be being talked up as All Black contenders</p>
