Canes vs Chiefs
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I didn't ignore it, it just sounded like you were saying he'd locked down the no. 2 spot despite lacking a brain and I disagreed. So I guess you were saying "he SHOULD have the no. 2 spot locked down but he didn't cause he's dumb as shit"?<br><br>
I also disagreed that he's got WAY more talent than TKB, who is a different kind of halfback (more of the "4th loosie" type) but has a much better game in some areas (pass accuracy, kicking and defending in particular), is a hell of a lot smarter and is just an overall more rounded player.<br><br>
Fair enough on the size thing.</p></blockquote>
TBH I'd take most other Super SHs ahead of him now. He is way too scatter brained for test rugby.<br><br>
But I stand by the talent thing. To his credit TKB squeezes every last drop out of what he has. But he's a very limited player. He seems to have absolutely no attacking instincts. -
<p>Considering this week end's individual performances, and to add my opinion to the ones concerning who will be selected for the All Blacks, I would take :</p>
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<p>15. D. McKenzie</p>
<p>14. B. Smith</p>
<p>13. Crotty (Fekitoa pretty ineffective these days)</p>
<p>12. Ngatai</p>
<p>11. Savea (he can perform when he is wearing the black jersey)</p>
<p>10. Barrett (in brillant form but must be relieved from the kicking duties by Damian McKenzie)</p>
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<p>Of course, it is just on current form. Cruden, Sopoaga and Fekitoa are not yet written off. Tamanivalu was impressive and if he keeps on playing like that, he won't be far of a black jersey.</p> -
I think Dagg is right back in the mix. He is proven and he has the best punt of any of the NZ 15s. Hansen has already said it'll be Crotty and Fekitoa who get first shot at the midfield. <br><br>
There is no way Barrett can start even if relieved of the kicking duties. He is very talented but doesn't control games well enough for international rugby and his kicking out of hand is also dodgy. He is probably going to just keep the 22 shirt. -
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<p>I think Dagg is right back in the mix. He is proven and he has the best punt of any of the NZ 15s. Hansen has already said it'll be Crotty and Fekitoa who get first shot at the midfield.<br><br>
There is no way Barrett can start even if relieved of the kicking duties. He is very talented but doesn't control games well enough for international rugby and his kicking out of hand is also dodgy. He is probably going to just keep the 22 shirt.</p>
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<p>I agree. We only took 4 outside backs to the last World Cup. Savea, Ben Smith and Naholo will all be in the squad. Damian McKenzie probably has to be picked as well so we are running out of space for Dagg. Makes it tough for the likes of James Lowe to get a look in.</p> -
I think Naholo should be left to get a run of games and form. Otherwise he's basically being picked based on last year's super comp, and he doesn't have a solid body of AB work to fall back on. <br><br>
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<p>So Fekitoa is ineffective but Savea gets a pass?</p>
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<p> Yes because Savea, a bit like Joe Rokockoko, can step up when it counts. Fekitoa has yet to play a great game for the AB.</p> -
Geez anyone noticed how j savea got swept aside by pulu, a player with only 2 Super Rugby starts??<br><br>
Really a gem of a player the Chiefs unearthed there. Strong performances against Brumbies and canes. Sure hope he locks down the right wing position for the Chiefs. -
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<p>There is no way Barrett can start even if relieved of the kicking duties. He is very talented but doesn't control games well enough for international rugby and his kicking out of hand is also dodgy. He is probably going to just keep the 22 shirt.</p>
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<p>It's three tests against Wales.</p>
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<p>Never a better time to start BB.</p>
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<p>I wish Mrs Barrett had been born in Cardiff instead of Mrs Anscombe.</p> -
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<p>It's three tests against Wales.</p>
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<p>Never a better time to start BB.</p>
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<p>I wish Mrs Barrett had been born in Cardiff instead of Mrs Anscombe.</p>
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<p>Are you saying Wales are rubbish so we can experiment with Beauden :p</p> -
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<p>Are you saying Wales are rubbish so we can experiment with Beauden :P</p>
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<p>Not rubbish, but just enough challenge for him to show that he's the man for the job.</p>
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<p>He offers more than Cruden IMHO</p> -
<p>Was in the members lounge for this game, and the question throughout was 'Why aren't they giving Woodward the kicks?'</p>
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<p>I suppose there is the politics of trying to get one of your guys into the All Blacks, but surely your best kicker should kick? No Upper Hutt bias here of course but Woodward is the better kicker.</p> -
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What hope do we have of fixing our shaky scrum? Is anyone due to return from injury?<br>
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Nathan Harris is a hooker and I guess he could help, what about props?</p></blockquote>
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Bird? Having that extra push from the locks does a great deal for your scrums too. Might be coincidental, but our scrums have held up when Seu or bird or even Tom tucker were playing in the lock department (second half vs Argentina, vs blues, vs Brumbies). -
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<p>Question for Chief's fans. </p>
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<p>What hope do we have of fixing our shaky scrum? Is anyone due to return from injury?</p>
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<p>Nathan Harris is a hooker and I guess he could help, what about props?</p>
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<p>For starters get Hika back starting at hooker. He makes a massive improvement over Marshall when he has the starting props beside him.</p> -
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<p>Was in the members lounge for this game, and the question throughout was 'Why aren't they giving Woodward the kicks?'</p>
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<p>I suppose there is the politics of trying to get one of your guys into the All Blacks, but surely your best kicker should kick? No Upper Hutt bias here of course but Woodward is the better kicker.</p>
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<p>Its very strange this. Also get Woodward to take the line kicking as well. Barrett seems to have gone to the pack in this regard. His line kicking even with no wind makes little distance now. Continuing with him as a kicker does his AB chances no good at all</p>
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<p>Woodward is also coming into some very good form now too. So select him at FB and let him do all of the line and goal kicking. Esp including when the team is hard on defense where Barrett is lucky if he gets beyond the 22</p> -
<p>That was a game the Canes should have one. Woodward should persist with the kicking duties from now on. Barrett is far too consistent and he is preventing us from winning the big games. Brilliant around the field and was far superior to Cruden on the night in that aspect but his kicking is shoddy. </p>
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<p>In regards to changes for the Lions I would probably bring in Abbott and Laumape to add a bit of physicality to the side against a big Lions team.</p>
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<p>My starting XV for Lions:</p>
<p>1. Reggie Goodes</p>
<p>2. Dane Coles</p>
<p>3. Jeff Toomaga Allen</p>
<p>4. Mark Abbott</p>
<p>5. Michael Fatialofa</p>
<p>6. Brad Shields</p>
<p>7. Ardie Savea</p>
<p>8. Victor Vito</p>
<p>9. TJ Perenara</p>
<p>10. Beauden Barrett</p>
<p>11. Julian Savea</p>
<p>12. Ngani Laumape (Comes in for Aso who looked injured on Sat)</p>
<p>13. Matt Proctor</p>
<p>14. Cory Jane</p>
<p>15. Jason Woodward</p>
<p>Reserves: 16. Motu Matu'u 17. Chris Eves 18. Ben May 19. Vaea Fifita 20. Blade Thomson 21. Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi 22. James Marshall 23. Vince Tavae Aso</p> -
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<p>For starters get Hika back starting at hooker. He makes a massive improvement over Marshall when he has the starting props beside him.</p>
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<p>You know Rennie seems to have his plusses and minuses as a super XV coach. </p>
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<p>His weakness is discerning that a player is a dud. Sometimes he wears rose tinted glasses towards some players and he has them on towards Marshall or he wouldn't have started.</p>
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<p>His strength is player development and raw coaching skills. Can you remember just how shite and lost Cruden was in the Canes number 10 jersey? Now he is arguably the best 10 in the comp. (I did say arguably so Barrett fans can count to ten).</p>
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<p>If Rennie ever became AB coach I would be tempted to make him work with a selection panel so he didn't put pet project players into the team.</p>
