RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Dodge said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Nice training park hit out against a tier 2 nation, but I'm not sure this is what we needed before a quarterfinal.
Where’s the upside at this point in a difficult game? You lost to France, let the boys build some confidence, let them have some fun, and let’s see what happens next
100%
And it was easy because we fucked their set piece and ruck up
Got run in the legs of returning playersI'm happy as shit. We're in good shape
Salutary lesson there for coaching and development in NZ - develop forwards who do those two things and then let natural flair and talents in the backs run wild
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Who'd have though six months ago Shannon Frizzell would be key to NZ's RWC progress?
We live in weird times.
Ahem, I think if we go back 6 months you will find Dan54 getting abused as an idiot for suggesting that I thought Frizzel was very much what we needed in ABs!
And there's a few in this thread were telling me what an idiot I was. -
@Dan54 tbf...you are still an idiot
But Frizzel has barely even shown glimpses of what he has done this year for the ABs in his previous tests.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Dan54 tbf...you are still an idiot
But Frizzel has barely even shown glimpses of what he has done this year for the ABs in his previous tests.
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All Blacks v Italy game not appearing on the SMH website at all, not even in their sports section.
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@Snowy said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Snowy you missed a great game!
@stodders said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Machpants from Carley 😂
I ended up seeing it. Had to go to work because there we had gusts of wind over 2 knots at home, so the power was off. Game was on at work so I watched it.
Yep, entertaining in a Harlem globetrotters sort of way.
Don't think it was a great game from Carley, he just decided to pick on Italy this time. He gets fixated on looking for penalties and if one side is on the receiving end of that, the match is over as a contest.
That is not taking anything away from a good AB performance, we made very few errors, and our set piece worked well, so with Carley leaving us alone for most of the match (a string of 5 penalties at one stage when he had that tunnel vision on us) we racked up the points.
Another positive was no cards for either side, but I'm not confident that will continue, or that TMOs won't be trying to find fault in every try scored, or tackle made, in the future.
Actually that is another positive - well done to the TMO, didn't notice that there was one.
In fairness, there should have been a stonewall yellow card to the Italian 10 for a professional foul for side entry when we eventually scored off that quick tap. He basically came in from our side to slow it down.
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@chimoaus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Not a dead rubber, if Italy beat France
I think we are into the 1/4 regardless of that result if we get 5 points from Uruguay and keep a big points differential.
If Italy beat France with a bonus point and keep France to a single BP the Table will be
NZ 15 Points (Qualify 1st because we beat Italy)
Italy 15 Points
France 14 PointsIf Italy beat France with a BP and France get 2 BP the table will be
NZ 15 Points
Italy 15 Points
France 15 PointsIn this scenario I assume its points differential and NZ will have the best PD if France lose to Italy so NZ go through Q1, then I think Italy go through as they beat France.
The other options would be If Italy beat France without a bonus point and France get 1 BP Italy go through. If Italy beat France without a bonus point but France get 2 BP then France Q1 and go through.
So it appears to me that as long as we get 5 points vs Uruguay we go through.
People looking at scenarios where Italy beat France are as deluded as people worrying about Italy beating NZ. They have been very poor this RWC and they will lose to France.
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@Billy-Tell I don't trust the French
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stuart Barnes in The Times the day before.
Tomorrow he'll write All Blacks' lost aura resulted in Italy's complacency
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@Frank said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Anyone reckon DMac should be the starting 15 ahead of Beauden?
Moody should be the starting 15 ahead of Beaudy, he has fallen so far off the cliff it is not funny. But yes beaudy should not be in the top 23, who replaces him, I dunno - Jordan, DMac, even Havili!
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stuart Barnes in The Times the day before.
Aged as well as some of the comments about Frizzell being selected for the RC
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@Frank said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Anyone reckon DMac should be the starting 15 ahead of Beauden?
Watched a bit of the game and BB was linking with RMo and Jordy really effectively on attack to unlock defences. Where he's fallen off is stuff like kicking, decisions around kicking and his defence. Too many mistakes which a professional player shouldn't make.
Can see why Foster & Schmidt pick him. Can see why he shouldn't start.
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Well, we couldn't make a bigger statement than that could we? What an absolute hiding, ninety six points!
Of course it was only a poor Italy team, and some areas of concern for us didn't get tested at all, so we can take the result with a grain of salt in the context of the tournament. The biggest plus was getting through the game unscathed really with so many key players returning from injury.
That said, there is no other team in the world that could dismantle Italy like that. This game showed what this team is capable of when things click for them. Yes this is not a vintage AB side, but we have attacking threats across the park, and the last thing the rest of the world wanted was for them to suddenly start running red hot right before the quarters.
Looking forward to another hit out against Uruguay and then I cannot fucking wait for Ireland. Bring. It. On.
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@JayCee said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@His-Bobness said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stuart Barnes in The Times the day before.
Tomorrow he'll write All Blacks' lost aura resulted in Italy's complacency
And how we poach all of our players from the South Sea Islands, like Mo'unga from the tiny island nation of Mairehau, with reference to that time he and that other guy Muliaina killed Brian O'Driscoll.
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@allblackfan2 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
All Blacks v Italy game not appearing on the SMH website at all, not even in their sports section.
Rugby has been erased from Australia…
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Ball in play time is not determined by the referee
It’s determined by the team who are in charge
Last night NZ were very much in charge
If NZ want the ball in play time to be greater then they have to be dominant in the basics
It’s pretty simple really
