Ashes 2023
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Congratulations Australia on retaining the Ashes.
England had lots of chances to win at Egbaston and to some extent at Lords and yesterday too. You don’t win a Test without taking 20 wickets and England have only done that once in four Tests in this series.
They knew about the possibility of rain in Manchester and they knew from the start of this Test that weather forecasts suggested terrible rain for weekend.
This is not a vintage Australian team in terms of talent and technique but they are dogged and tenacious, hanging on in there at both Edgbaston and Old Trafford to get the results they needed. Credit to them. Winning ugly is still ugly.
How to avoid this situation again:
- Make Ashes series in England 6 or even 7 Tests long.
- Have reserve days for the final two Tests of a series.
- Fine sides for slow over rates and award runs to the opposition for very slow over rates.
- If washouts are forecast for Day 4 and Day 5 of a Test ( as was the case here), then allow for an extra session with floodlight if need be on Days 1, 2 and 3.
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What should have been the sporting story of the Summer is now a damp squib
Pun intended
So disappointing
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Not quite sure what Cummins could have said that was any better really. He didn't make it rain for God's sake.
Anyway, congrats on retaining the urn Ocker
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
Not quite sure what Cummins could have said that was any better really. He didn't make it rain for God's sake.
Anyway, congrats on retaining the urn Ocker
Yeah they did genuinely win the first two tests, whatever “moral” victory England might have claimed.
I never mind the rain too much, it’s relaxing when I sleep……but it fucks me off to no end when it ruins cricket.
I think cricket could do a bit better in terms of scheduling reserve days for situations like this. Australia have retained the Ashes but there will always be a massive asterisk next to this series.
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Yes. There's a formula to decide who wins a game of cricket. Something to do with runs and wickets. It is a tried and tested method.
This whole moral victory rubbish has really been carried on by the lower end of the Aus media, following on from some pretty innocuous comments by a couple of the England players immediately following the first two close losses. If anyone is banging on about it, it isn't our boys.
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
Yes. There's a formula to decide who wins a game of cricket. Something to do with runs and wickets. It is a tried and tested method.
This whole moral victory rubbish has really been carried only the lower end of the Aus media, following on from some pretty innocuous comments by a couple of the England players immediately following the first two close losses. If anyone is banging on about it, it isn't our boys.
Regardless of what was said it was very probable ( but not a given ) that England had this test in the bag but if Marsh and Green survived long enough for a draw I’d happily laud them for it.
If someone survives and has a mammoth innings to ensure a draw I’m all for that, it’s when weather intervenes that I get annoyed.
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@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
Yes. There's a formula to decide who wins a game of cricket. Something to do with runs and wickets. It is a tried and tested method.
This whole moral victory rubbish has really been carried only the lower end of the Aus media, following on from some pretty innocuous comments by a couple of the England players immediately following the first two close losses. If anyone is banging on about it, it isn't our boys.
Regardless of what was said it was very probable ( but not a given ) that England had this test in the bag but if Marsh and Green survived long enough for a draw I’d happily laud them for it.
If someone survives and has a mammoth innings to ensure a draw I’m all for that, it’s when weather intervenes that I get annoyed.
Absolutely, such stuff is what test cricket is all about.
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I said it at the time - and posted on this thread - and my mates shot me down citing the old adage
Bat once, bat big
We should have declared at lunch on Day 3
Had the lead, had momentum, had time to bowl Australia out
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Fines for slow over rates do nothing, its top end professional sport - they all have plenty of money. The only thing that would work is your captain is banned for the next test if you don't get through the overs. Make the guy in charge take responsibility. The time wasting and loss of overs is scandalous.
I get annoyed enough at rugby games that take over 2hrs to get through with 30-something mins of ball-in-play time.
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@TeWaio You can get docked WTC points now as well which does have an impact. I am assuming though Ashes matches fall under this
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They do need to find a way to fit more overs into a day, it is painfully slow going for all teams when bowling these days. To play for 6 and a half hours in a day and still not reach 90 overs is pretty poor. Even when pushing for victory with the threat of rain, bowling 19 overs of spin out of 71, England still only managed 13 overs per hour.
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
Yes. There's a formula to decide who wins a game of cricket. Something to do with runs and wickets. It is a tried and tested method.
This whole moral victory rubbish has really been carried on by the lower end of the Aus media, following on from some pretty innocuous comments by a couple of the England players immediately following the first two close losses. If anyone is banging on about it, it isn't our boys.
It's a classic case of having your view, then looking for things to reinforce your view only.
On the whole, I think everybody is quite gutted about the weather calling off the series, including Australians.
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@bayimports said in Ashes 2023:
@TeWaio You can get docked WTC points now as well which does have an impact. I am assuming though Ashes matches fall under this
I realise that, and it even cost Australia a place in the 2021 WTC final that we won. But has it improved their (or anyone's) over rate? Has it fk.....need harsher punishment!
