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  • TimT Away
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    @taniwharugby In the decision they stated that his sanction was six weeks, but was reduced to three by his mitigation.

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    @Tim said in Jonathan Sexton's conduct:

    @taniwharugby In the decision they stated that his sanction was six weeks, but was reduced to three by his mitigation.

    How on earth is there mitigation for that? The child he was with was holding a gun to his head?

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    @Tim Why the mitigation in his favour?

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    @Tim said in Jonathan Sexton's conduct:

    @taniwharugby In the decision they stated that his sanction was six weeks, but was reduced to three by his mitigation.

    Why is being a fluffybunny a mitigating factor?

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    Fuck me days. Why do we always go through this fucking rigmarole every time mitigation gets mentioned either in rugby judiciary cases or actual judiciary cases. It's a standard part of sentencing/sanctioning.

    Has he been done for this type of misconduct before? No? In which case, that's a mitigating factor.

    He pleaded guilty = a further mitigating factor.

    Read page 33 re mitigation if you get round to putting down the pitchforks.

    https://djl5pr6hub29v.cloudfront.net/epcr/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/16213628/Sexton-Leinster-Decision-Final.pdf
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    @Smudge Yeah, there was an apology too, IIRC.

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    @Smudge said in Jonathan Sexton's conduct:

    Fuck me days. Why do we always go through this fucking rigmarole every time mitigation gets mentioned either in rugby judiciary cases or actual judiciary cases. It's a standard part of sentencing/sanctioning.

    Has he been done for this type of misconduct before? No? In which case, that's a mitigating factor.

    He pleaded guilty = a further mitigating factor.

    Read page 33 re mitigation if you get round to putting down the pitchforks.

    https://djl5pr6hub29v.cloudfront.net/epcr/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/16213628/Sexton-Leinster-Decision-Final.pdf

    Don't be a party pooper, this is no time for rationalism!

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    I skimmed through the report and can’t really complain about the process & punishment.

    It’s shit what Sexton did but perhaps not as bad as I thought and the ref team seem not as upset as I assumed they were.

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    @Tim although if he apologised would he really have been upset with the outcome?

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    @taniwharugby said in Jonathan Sexton's conduct:

    @Tim although if he apologised would he really have been upset with the outcome?

    Is it really an apology if it's just for mitigation, and therefore is no longer a mitigating factor?

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    @Smudge said in Jonathan Sexton's conduct:

    Fuck me days. Why do we always go through this fucking rigmarole every time mitigation gets mentioned either in rugby judiciary cases or actual judiciary cases. It's a standard part of sentencing/sanctioning.

    Has he been done for this type of misconduct before? No? In which case, that's a mitigating factor.

    He pleaded guilty = a further mitigating factor.

    Read page 33 re mitigation if you get round to putting down the pitchforks.

    https://djl5pr6hub29v.cloudfront.net/epcr/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/16213628/Sexton-Leinster-Decision-Final.pdf

    Some actions which have wide ranging, long term implications don't merit mitigation

    Needs to be nipped in the bud, otherwise football ensues

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    @MiketheSnow said in Jonathan Sexton's conduct:

    @Smudge said in Jonathan Sexton's conduct:

    Fuck me days. Why do we always go through this fucking rigmarole every time mitigation gets mentioned either in rugby judiciary cases or actual judiciary cases. It's a standard part of sentencing/sanctioning.

    Has he been done for this type of misconduct before? No? In which case, that's a mitigating factor.

    He pleaded guilty = a further mitigating factor.

    Read page 33 re mitigation if you get round to putting down the pitchforks.

    https://djl5pr6hub29v.cloudfront.net/epcr/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/16213628/Sexton-Leinster-Decision-Final.pdf

    Some actions which have wide ranging, long term implications don't merit mitigation

    Needs to be nipped in the bud, otherwise football ensues

    Completely agree, though more for a wider discussion., which I’m thinking is your point.

    Sexton is just playing the game, as many have done before. No surprises there or with the outcome.

    Looking at that wider issue though, we all know that what goes on at the top level gets emulated all the way down the line. We have trouble getting enough refs as it is, they need to be a protected species from the top to the bottom.

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    I don't think we need to whip him from Dublin to Galway for this - Tullamore is quite far enough.

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    @Catogrande

    Totally agree. But it's RWC year and he's a key player. And that just wouldn't do, would it? An opportunity to send a message missed.

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in Jonathan Sexton's conduct:

    @Catogrande

    Totally agree. But it's RWC year and he's a key player. And that just wouldn't do, would it? An opportunity to send a message missed.

    It’s the judiciary. Their accuracy is up there with Imperial Stormtroopers.

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    He also wasn't even playing, didn't have the excuse it was in the heat of the game. In addition it was 3 times, not a one off, after the game. And professionals that are role models should be held to a stricter standards than club players, not lesser

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    The walrus is furious.

    Thinks it should be 6 months at least.

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    @MajorPom said in Jonathan Sexton's conduct:

    The walrus is furious.

    Thinks it should be 6 months at least.

    I agree with him.

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    It's ridiculous that an apology can be deemed a mitigating factor. It should be part of the sentence.

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    @canefan said in Jonathan Sexton's conduct:

    Why is being a fluffybunny a mitigating factor?

    Are you new to the fern?

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