All Blacks 2023
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:
Form is temporary, class is permanent
Anyone not considering Jordan needs their head read
BS. Selecting a player who hasn't played much is only justified if you have no other option. Jordan's position is not one like that.
Meanwhile selecting BB because "class is permanent" would be putting faith over experience.
Why not pick Julian Savea on that basis? He was pure class.
You don’t win the cup without WJ
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I reckon Jordan is a certainty based on his best , and consideration given to his time out and the wc still some time away , they will pick him and back him to get back to his best I’m tipping
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
Wonder how he sees BB?
He could come right like Dan Carter, but then again....
Beaudy probably makes it, based on reputation
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:
Form is temporary, class is permanent
Anyone not considering Jordan needs their head read
But beaudy class is based on speed and acceleration, like a winger, that is not permanent. DC moved beyond being a try scoring ten into the ultimate controlling ten. Beauty sadly has not
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:
Form is temporary, class is permanent
Anyone not considering Jordan needs their head read
But beaudy class is based on speed and acceleration, like a winger, that is not permanent. DC moved beyond being a try scoring ten into the ultimate controlling ten. Beauty sadly has not
Ah, the No True Scotsman!.
BB was twice world player of the year. Now he was just a speed merchant?
What if Jordan has lost some pace too?
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I don't want to make a bombastic holier than thou statement, but anyone who thinks Will Jordan won't be in the squad has lost their marbles and needs to take a good look at themselves.
I know he will be in the squad, if fit. I would pick him, if properly fit.
My objection is to the assertion that "class" is permanent and that good players will always regain form. That's just not true -- unless you define "class" in such a way that it means only those that regain their form, and forget all those that don't.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I don't want to make a bombastic holier than thou statement, but anyone who thinks Will Jordan won't be in the squad has lost their marbles and needs to take a good look at themselves.
I know he will be in the squad, if fit. I would pick him, if properly fit.
My objection is to the assertion that "class" is permanent and that good players will always regain form. That's just not true -- unless you define "class" in such a way that it means only those that regain their form, and forget all those that don't.
I think age goes hand in hand with that statement though.
Will Jordan is on an upward trajectory. His legs aren't gone. He's only a nipper.
Whereas someone like Beaudy probably isn't.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I don't want to make a bombastic holier than thou statement, but anyone who thinks Will Jordan won't be in the squad has lost their marbles and needs to take a good look at themselves.
I know he will be in the squad, if fit. I would pick him, if properly fit.
My objection is to the assertion that "class" is permanent and that good players will always regain form. That's just not true -- unless you define "class" in such a way that it means only those that regain their form, and forget all those that don't.
I think age goes hand in hand with that statement though.
Will Jordan is on an upward trajectory. His legs aren't gone. He's only a nipper.
Whereas someone like Beaudy probably isn't.
We've seen BBs best. As others have said his strengths were his ability to inject into the line, his timing and his turn of speed. Not his ability to game manage. And he's not the player he was physically
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Fans, in general, like to ignore the passing of time. You see it over and over on here, people remembering shit a player used to do, and mention that as evidence of what they can do. The evidence is often 5 years out of date.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
BB was twice world player of the year. Now he was just a speed merchant?
What if Jordan has lost some pace too?
I'd say BB's speed was a major factor in him being world player of the year.
I'd be surprised Jordan has suddenly lost speed due to his injury or due to age but he may well not be in top condition. -
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
On the Breakdown this week they had footage of Dane Coles giving big Leicester plenty of verbal "welly" during a dust up.
Basically telling him to fuck off and take the overseas money.
I'd love to know what happened in AB camp last year.
Not saying it's the case with LF, but I'd prefer my AB's to be totally committed, Wouldn't be the first player with the wrong mindset - if so, hope it gets sorted out.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
The thing with BB is I don't think he's matured as a player like Carter did.
Carter had lost a fair bit of pace by '15. Didn't half make up for it in other areas though.
Beaudy plays like a quarterback with "4th and long" on every play.
Just set up the next ruck and see what picture is painted.
Hail Mary stuff all the time.
