All Blacks v England
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v England:
England were fresher during the last ten minutes because they had a seven day turnaround, which was not the case for the All Blacks. The latter had a hard battle against Scotland just six days before while England were free flowing against Japan.
I love trying to find straws to grab, and that's a @booboo level clutch.
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After watching again accuracy in 2nd half was an issue lineout:line kicks missing touch etc, little errors here and there which meant we cldnt build pressure like we cld in 1st half.
Bigger issue which in last 20 got England in was inability to recover kicks, and not so much back three fault but we lacked urgency to get back and contest for 50/50 balls with working hard off ball which then put our d under pressure. The little things. -
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v England:
Last week, the bench won the game for NZ. Against England, it transformed a probable glorious victory into a headscratching draw.
This I agree with 100%
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@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
But what can you do with such a trigger happy referee?
Play it down their end more. Territory statistics massively favoured England.
Yep with a trigger happy ref you should play more in their half. But we chose to kick relatively shallow all match. Should probably have used Jordie to launch a contestable bomb or 3 deep and high.
The shallow kick execution was excellent in first half though.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
But what can you do with such a trigger happy referee?
Play it down their end more. Territory statistics massively favoured England.
That was the main problem in the 2nd half. No ball and no territory, so always defending. The Sky stats said only 12 missed tackles but England ran through some big holes.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
Absolute disgrace of a game ruined by a pedantic referee.
There has to be a change in how games are officiated, that was one of the worst games to watch due to the absolute pedantic interpretation.
Can we simply have an overriding principle that if it does not negatively impact the opposition the ref should favour the attacking team. RI being offside with the kick had no impact on the game. Not straight onto the English side where they don't compete. Penalising England in the lineout we did not compete.
So many stupid interruptions for offences that have little to no impact on the game or either team. Why should the ref always be looking to penalise or stop the game. The goal of the ref should be to let it flow.
I would love to hear from WR on how and why this is a good spectacle and why we as the paying public should be putting up with such shit.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v England:
but England ran through some big holes.
just as the Irish did at the start of the year.
For all the improvements we have made, our defence is still pretty shit, leaking 22 points in the 2nd half is a shocker!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v England:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v England:
but England ran through some big holes.
just as the Irish did at the start of the year.
For all the improvements we have made, our defence is still pretty shit, leaking 22 points in the 2nd half is a shocker!
Yes, but that starts at the breakdown, and allowing such quick recycling of the ball. England aren't as subtle as Ireland but it's still hard to stop when the defensive line is retreating. There were times in the last 10 mins when the ABs were very short of numbers out wide.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v England:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v England:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v England:
but England ran through some big holes.
just as the Irish did at the start of the year.
For all the improvements we have made, our defence is still pretty shit, leaking 22 points in the 2nd half is a shocker!
Yes, but that starts at the breakdown, and allowing such quick recycling of the ball. England aren't as subtle as Ireland but it's still hard to stop when the defensive line is retreating. There were times in the last 10 mins when the ABs were very short of numbers out wide.
agree we were poor at the breakdown for second half and did not slow one down in last 10 min.england got fast pass phase after phase..canot remeber was it the last ten sevea gave away a silly weak penalty ?
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Why for the love of god would you attempt a dinky little kick in behind the English defence, just outside our 22, when we've only got three fucking defenders covering more than half the pitch?
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@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
Eddie Jones has done us an enormous favour there. Our current defence is no where near good enough for the last ten minutes of a RWC knockout. A big rethink of that area is needed.
Yeah, I think this last 10 minutes might be beneficial for next year as we'll have a rethink and focus on it. Kind of like 2009 when we had to rethink our wing style to combat kicks.
I don't think Smith is going to a popular guy in the changing room, Farrell and the nearest prop looked pissed when he kicked that out.
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@antipodean Was his ankle injured before the kick?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
Eddie Jones has done us an enormous favour there. Our current defence is no where near good enough for the last ten minutes of a RWC knockout. A big rethink of that area is needed.
Yeah, I think this last 10 minutes might be beneficial for next year as we'll have a rethink and focus on it. Kind of like 2009 when we had to rethink our wing style to combat kicks.
I don't think Smith is going to a popular guy in the changing room, Farrell and the nearest prop looked pissed when he kicked that out.
Not so sure myself. Watched it back and Youngs, Vunipola and George at the ruck are all pointing to the touch line for him to put it out.
Disappointed from a game point of view, but taking the ball on our 22 with the clock dead and a ref not afraid to make big calls, I'd give us more chance of getting isolated and conceding a pen than going upfield and winning.
Odd game, as plenty for both teams to be unhappy with at the end of that.
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At least the things we’ve learnt from the Northern Tour leading into next year is that Papali’i is better than Cane, Jordie is our 12, Will Jordan needs to start at fullback next year, and our starting front row needs to continue developing together through to the WC.
The question is whether Foster has enough balls to drop Cane and Barrett from the top 15, I guess time will tell.
I’m also picking Cam Roigard as a bolter for the WC. That Perenara injury looks bad and with Fakatava out for a while, I’m picking Roigard to outplay both Christie and Weber in Super to move up the pecking order.
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Agree that Jordy at 12 is a beast. Straightens attack, BB days I think are behind him. Off bench yep but we need to try Jordan at the back
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Can’t say about the wider view for sure as I have spent the afternoon in the safety of home/pub/curry house, but initially I was internally screaming for Smith to kick it dead and take the draw but on reflection I feel it highlighted where England are currently, which is having very fragile confidence. Same as me currently as an England fan. I also see parallels here with NZ at the moment, in that if things go your way early doors then the confidence grows but if the reverse happens the confidence levels plummet.
As a case in point, the early interception try (which I feel was looked for and had Joe Schmidt’s finerprints all over it), rocked England badly. I really think that made NZ grow an extra leg and left England looking for the zimmer frame and it took quite a while for England’s psyche to regain any confidence.
Overall I’m just a little disappointed, as I feel that with a tweaked selection and a bit more common sense in the replacement selection, we really could have won. I feel we have a much better team just waiting to be picked.
Selection conclusions for England:- Billy V and Jack Nowell should not wear white again. Farrell or Smith, not Farrell and Smith. Tuilagi at 12 or on the bench. A couple of wingers with pace or power or preferably both.
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