All Blacks vs Wales
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
Surely we learnt that back in 2007
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Ha, it does indeed sound like him.
Didn’t mention that is two tries to Aaron Smith whose claim to fame is bonking away in airport toilets
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The comparison between 2nd half of the French Test last year and this game was stark. Last year they took it up the guts to wrestle the game back but made mistake after mistake which handed momentum back to France
That French team is vastly better than this Welsh team, who finished 5th with one win. Can't compare.
Yep. As mentioned, we need to see how we go against England
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
JB is far more than a crash and bash merchant. That was clearly the tactic yesterday. Claiming he has no distribution or vision is taking it a tad far 🤨
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
JB is far more than a crash and bash merchant. That was clearly the tactic yesterday. Claiming he has no distribution or vision is taking it a tad far 🤨
He did his job well and that's all you can ask for. No need to be spectacular in that game.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
JB is far more than a crash and bash merchant. That was clearly the tactic yesterday. Claiming he has no distribution or vision is taking it a tad far 🤨
Could he be more? Maybe, hopefully, possibly likely!
Has he been more? Well, no.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
JB is far more than a crash and bash merchant. That was clearly the tactic yesterday. Claiming he has no distribution or vision is taking it a tad far 🤨
Could he be more? Maybe, hopefully, possibly likely!
Has he been more? Well, no.
Is that the only game you've ever seen him play?
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Gets popcorn
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
JB is far more than a crash and bash merchant. That was clearly the tactic yesterday. Claiming he has no distribution or vision is taking it a tad far 🤨
Could he be more? Maybe, hopefully, possibly likely!
Has he been more? Well, no.
Is that the only game you've ever seen him play?
Yes mate. That's it, just the one.
Come on.
I know you've been waiting for this moment for a long time. And I'm happy for you, and I genuinely hope it works out, I really, really do.
And I'm totally on board with JB being our best option at 12 for now and the RWC next year.
BUT - I'm fully aware of his limitations. He isn't a great distributor, and he's not great at setting up his outsides.
We can go back and forth if you want, but I can't see you moving me on those points.
Yep, he runs hard and straight, and he defends well. And that's why I would pick him at 12. But we have to be cognisant of his limitations.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Gets popcorn
Keep it in the cupboard. I'm going to bed. Maybe tommorrow 👍.
If anything it's been great seeing JB holding onto the pill and using his giraffe freak frame to cause havoc. A major criticism earlier in his career was him trying too much fancy shit. It's farking Moses parting the Red Sea shit when he gets the ball at 12. Massive step up.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
JB is far more than a crash and bash merchant. That was clearly the tactic yesterday. Claiming he has no distribution or vision is taking it a tad far 🤨
Could he be more? Maybe, hopefully, possibly likely!
Has he been more? Well, no.
Is that the only game you've ever seen him play?
Yes mate. That's it, just the one.
Come on.
I know you've been waiting for this moment for a long time. And I'm happy for you, and I genuinely hope it works out, I really, really do.
And I'm totally on board with JB being our best option at 12 for now and the RWC next year.
BUT - I'm fully aware of his limitations. He isn't a great distributor, and he's not great at setting up his outsides.
We can go back and forth if you want, but I can't see you moving me on those points.
Yep, he runs hard and straight, and he defends well. And that's why I would pick him at 12. But we have to be cognisant of his limitations.
You make those claims based on what? His 3 tests at 12? It's just a really weird criticism.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Gets popcorn
Keep it in the cupboard. I'm going to bed. Maybe tommorrow 👍.
If anything it's been great seeing JB holding onto the pill and using his giraffe freak frame to cause havoc. A major criticism earlier in his career was him trying too much fancy shit. It's farking Moses parting the Red Sea shit when he gets the ball at 12. Massive step up.
Oh bro
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Gets popcorn
Keep it in the cupboard. I'm going to bed. Maybe tommorrow 👍.
If anything it's been great seeing JB holding onto the pill and using his giraffe freak frame to cause havoc. A major criticism earlier in his career was him trying too much fancy shit. It's farking Moses parting the Red Sea shit when he gets the ball at 12. Massive step up.
Oh bro
What's up sis?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
JB is far more than a crash and bash merchant. That was clearly the tactic yesterday. Claiming he has no distribution or vision is taking it a tad far 🤨
Could he be more? Maybe, hopefully, possibly likely!
Has he been more? Well, no.
Is that the only game you've ever seen him play?
Yes mate. That's it, just the one.
Come on.
I know you've been waiting for this moment for a long time. And I'm happy for you, and I genuinely hope it works out, I really, really do.
And I'm totally on board with JB being our best option at 12 for now and the RWC next year.
BUT - I'm fully aware of his limitations. He isn't a great distributor, and he's not great at setting up his outsides.
We can go back and forth if you want, but I can't see you moving me on those points.
Yep, he runs hard and straight, and he defends well. And that's why I would pick him at 12. But we have to be cognisant of his limitations.
You make those claims based on what? His 3 tests at 12? It's just a really weird criticism.
It's weird to criticise players on what we see of them at a certain level?
I dont know how to respond to that mate
This whole discussion started because old mate said his best attributes were distribution and vision.
Can you really hand on heart say you've seen either of those those things in the last month???
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
JB is far more than a crash and bash merchant. That was clearly the tactic yesterday. Claiming he has no distribution or vision is taking it a tad far 🤨
Take a looks at the 2nd Bled. Distribution plus a beautiful cross field kick.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
JB is far more than a crash and bash merchant. That was clearly the tactic yesterday. Claiming he has no distribution or vision is taking it a tad far 🤨
Could he be more? Maybe, hopefully, possibly likely!
Has he been more? Well, no.
Is that the only game you've ever seen him play?
Yes mate. That's it, just the one.
Come on.
I know you've been waiting for this moment for a long time. And I'm happy for you, and I genuinely hope it works out, I really, really do.
And I'm totally on board with JB being our best option at 12 for now and the RWC next year.
BUT - I'm fully aware of his limitations. He isn't a great distributor, and he's not great at setting up his outsides.
We can go back and forth if you want, but I can't see you moving me on those points.
Yep, he runs hard and straight, and he defends well. And that's why I would pick him at 12. But we have to be cognisant of his limitations.
You make those claims based on what? His 3 tests at 12? It's just a really weird criticism.
It's weird to criticise players on what we see of them at a certain level?
I dont know how to respond to that mate
This whole discussion started because old mate said his best attributes were distribution and vision.
Can you really hand on heart say you've seen either of those those things in the last month???
Immediacy bias
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Can you really hand on heart say you've seen either of those those things in the last month
Ahh, so it's only the last month that's allowed.
Oh bro
Did I miss his international career at 12 before this?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
JB is far more than a crash and bash merchant. That was clearly the tactic yesterday. Claiming he has no distribution or vision is taking it a tad far 🤨
Could he be more? Maybe, hopefully, possibly likely!
Has he been more? Well, no.
Is that the only game you've ever seen him play?
Yes mate. That's it, just the one.
Come on.
I know you've been waiting for this moment for a long time. And I'm happy for you, and I genuinely hope it works out, I really, really do.
And I'm totally on board with JB being our best option at 12 for now and the RWC next year.
BUT - I'm fully aware of his limitations. He isn't a great distributor, and he's not great at setting up his outsides.
We can go back and forth if you want, but I can't see you moving me on those points.
Yep, he runs hard and straight, and he defends well. And that's why I would pick him at 12. But we have to be cognisant of his limitations.
You make those claims based on what? His 3 tests at 12? It's just a really weird criticism.
It's weird to criticise players on what we see of them at a certain level?
I dont know how to respond to that mate
This whole discussion started because old mate said his best attributes were distribution and vision.
Can you really hand on heart say you've seen either of those those things in the last month???
I saw it when JB played in his first AB game.
He can also kick and take restarts by the way.
I gotta say he looks the leading 12 at moment.But Ardie (and Codie) parted the red sea.
