All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Victor-Meldrew hopefully they do put up a good test, as history suggests we should win this easily, with the closest result this century being 15 point margin in 2013....
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Whitelock is a bit of an unheralded AB legend.
Impressive at the presser too. Obviously someone who didn't come down in the last shower.
Casually drops that he played a test at Jade Stadium, here is the team list from that game, of interest a few of the Convicts are still playing.
New Zealand vs Australia at AMI Stadium
Christchurch, New Zealand
Saturday, 7 August 2010
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew hopefully they do put up a good test, as history suggests we should win this easily, with the closest result this century being 15 point margin in 2013....
History also said that the Pumas weren’t capable of bending Wallabies over and reaming them by 50.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I think we're going to stuff the Argies.
The TAB agrees with you.
We're at $1.08 and the Argies are at $7.
Not only that, to win TRC we're at $1.27. The Saffas are at $4.50 and the expected also rans are a fair distance further out.
All is well in the TAB world.
To be honest, I don't think they're too far wrong, but the Argies at $7 are worth a small insurance investment.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I think we're going to stuff the Argies.
first match I am feeling confident about this year...based on what I saw from our last match and expected further improvements based on consistency of rolling out the same team.
Not sure by how much, but I have not been confident with any of the previous games this year
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@chimoaus isn’t it interesting that some players didn’t get game time off the bench. Not sure what the point of giving Mathewson 3 minutes at the end achieved…
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
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@TeWaio said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
But even that strategy relies on reasonably decent selections, not reverting to previous favourites, and realising when players are no longer even worth that option.
Is he going to keep Mo'unga all the way through? Will he realise that we absolutely have to blood a new hooker, even with that strategy? I have my doubts.
Then again, the new panel might, I suppose.
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@TeWaio said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
I think an experienced 23 is possibly more key than a settled XV. Much easier to slot an experienced bench player into the team in case of injuries.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
But even that strategy relies on reasonably decent selections, not reverting to previous favourites, and realising when players are no longer even worth that option.
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
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@TeWaio said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
There’s always 1 or 2 blessings in disguise - take Retallick’s injury, it has allowed us to play Scott Barrett more than what would’ve been. So when Retallick comes back and he is fit and firing, the AB coaches should be a little more confident to split our two experienced locks to play along side Scooter.
Then there are those surprise packets - the “Kahui” - where a left field selection bears fruit.
Then there are the one or two horses for courses selections. The thing about a RWC is that with the pool games everyone is likely to get a run at some point.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@TeWaio said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
I think an experienced 23 is possibly more key than a settled XV. Much easier to slot an experienced bench player into the team in case of injuries.
Yeah for sure, can replace my post XV with XXIII
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
But even that strategy relies on reasonably decent selections, not reverting to previous favourites, and realising when players are no longer even worth that option.
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
Correlation does not equal causation.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
But even that strategy relies on reasonably decent selections, not reverting to previous favourites, and realising when players are no longer even worth that option.
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Nor doth one swallow a summer make - though it doth bring hope.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
But even that strategy relies on reasonably decent selections, not reverting to previous favourites, and realising when players are no longer even worth that option.
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Nor doth one swallow a summer make - though it doth bring hope.
Ok ok Victor I can't let that slide past, the immature 15yo inside is so much wanting to make a remark haw good a swallow would be!
But on a serious note you are correct one win doesn't make for a great season, but would be content with a few more, and still wouldn't write of season even with the losses to Irelans and Boks, I would also add in wins, that really makes a couple of swallows?
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
Because it's not worth arguing about. He played 50 odd minutes and did nothing that Akira hadn't already done in several tests.
Swap the players names, and we'd still be talking about that drop that lead to a try on his own line. Unbelievably poor, and looked gassed.
The problem has always been the tight five, and in that second game they stepped up. Ryan's influence? I hope so. Am sure Akira would have continued his good form, but for whatever reason (probably the head rubs over the years) he's a disliked player.
More disliked interestingly than a player that did this;
"Frizell reportedly sent a message over Instagram to a third party connected to the victims.
“F*** you b**** tell your friend to hide I’m gonna f*** everyone’s up f*** with the wrong guy,” the message reportedly read.
Stuff reports the message was sent after Frizell is understood to have slapped the female victim, who is known to the 15-test All Black, following an exchange of words.
After then trying to leave Vault 21, a popular bar/restaurant in the centre of Dunedin, Frizell is reported to have punched the female victim in the face, giving her a fat upper lip and a split lower lip.
The female victim’s boyfriend is reported to have tried to intervene after the first incident and was then “coward punched” while on his phone outside the bar.
Stuff reports both victims sustained injuries as a result of the physical altercations."
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
He played really well - the challenge now is backing up.
Honestly, I'm far happier with Foster just picking some blokes and sticking with them. The chop/change we had at 6 and midfield running into 2019 didn't work. This is a higher risk strategy, but that's the quality of the current team.
My stance is not at all incompatible with the ongoing selection of Taylor as our starting 2; ST had moved so far past him it wasn't funny, but he appeared un-droppable.
I don't think Havili is our long term 12, but no issues at all with trying to build a partnership with Rieko in the midfield over the next year.
