O Captain! My Captain!
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@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow ok Mike, what do you think should have been said to Barrett the last 4 matches?
Exactly the same
And it was
He was dropped
After 3 losses....I spy something different 😉
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@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@stodders said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@mariner4life said in O Captain! My Captain!:
AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain
Discuss
Comedy Gold
But I'll play
Better than ordinary lock, exceptional captain
What's interesting (to me at least) and which is working for Wales (except when shit referees YC him for nothing whatsoever) is starting with fitter and now better locks and bringing AWJ on at the business end of the match when clear heads and game management is needed.
Are you referring to this when you say "nothing whatsoever"?
Either Sir AWJ has the Force running through his body and can move the ball without touching it, or he got caught being a cheating fluffybunny 😉
We’ll just ignore the two prone Boks sealing off shall we?
Oh the persecution!
But yeah why not, if ABs are supposed to, then surely others can follow suit?
It’s fact
The ref was wrong
End of
Move on
That doesn’t diminish the possible tactical advantage of finishing with AWJ rather than starting with him
England 2007 called and want their game plan back
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@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Nepia said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
The hardest fluffybunny in the team
What do you mean by hardest fluffybunny? There wouldn't be many, if any, in the team harder than Cane.
The act first, ask questions later type of hard fluffybunny
The Judge Dredd of the team
There’s no doubting Cane’s ‘tough as teak’ physical play & dogged commitment, but as I commented in the match thread different characters with different captaincy skills would have reigned RM in on punishment of a good hiding
We just don’t have those characters in the team anymore - they all like each other too much and want to be liked as well. The only one who could come close to the guy who gives everyone a spray would be Whitelock, but even then he’s probably not free enough from sin to be dishing out steely eyed glances to his teammates when they fuck up
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@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow be a really good idea to admonish your ten who has completely changed the effectiveness of your backline in one week and is helping provide the targets and go forward the team has been yearning for.
Both of these things can be true
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@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow be a really good idea to admonish your ten who has completely changed the effectiveness of your backline in one week and is helping provide the targets and go forward the team has been yearning for.
And who handed the ball to an opposition player....
Yeah at least Beauden doesn't do that eh. Repeatedly. Behind the advantage line.
I hope we go with RM so that we can carry on losing, it really sucks seeing a functioning backline and players given space.
Repeatedly might be a stretch eh.
What I hope is that the forwards play like that again to actually get some go forward and lay a platform. It really sucks seeing that too.
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@Toddy said in O Captain! My Captain!:
Did our openside flanker really make the most amount of tackles on the team. Shit, that's a turnup for the books. I think I saw somewhere that Smith made the most passes. Cane also missed was it four or five? A few of those weren't attempts through desperation either just flat out bad misses. Can't fault his heart though or workrate.
Cane has always seemed to me a great lieutenant, but not a captain. Though the only other player I can think of to captain the team would be Whitelock.
If Cane can somehow recover his 2020 form I'd have him first down on the team sheet every day of the week.
That is just so funny and so unobservant. Savea is quite obviously the heir apparent with full support from those around him. The players talk of him, Cane and Whitelock as their leaders and Whitelock seems quite happy to not take the on field arm-band.
If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes. -
@junior said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@stodders said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@mariner4life said in O Captain! My Captain!:
AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain
Discuss
Comedy Gold
But I'll play
Better than ordinary lock, exceptional captain
What's interesting (to me at least) and which is working for Wales (except when shit referees YC him for nothing whatsoever) is starting with fitter and now better locks and bringing AWJ on at the business end of the match when clear heads and game management is needed.
Are you referring to this when you say "nothing whatsoever"?
Either Sir AWJ has the Force running through his body and can move the ball without touching it, or he got caught being a cheating fluffybunny 😉
We’ll just ignore the two prone Boks sealing off shall we?
Oh the persecution!
But yeah why not, if ABs are supposed to, then surely others can follow suit?
It’s fact
The ref was wrong
End of
Move on
That doesn’t diminish the possible tactical advantage of finishing with AWJ rather than starting with him
England 2007 called and want their game plan back
They got to a final (for the second time), which is more than we’ve achieved to date
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@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow ok Mike, what do you think should have been said to Barrett the last 4 matches?
Exactly the same
And it was
He was dropped
After 3 losses....I spy something different 😉
If he can back this performance up with the same but without the brain farts and showboating I’ll be the first to laud him
And if he doesn’t learn and costs you a match you’ll hear me loud and clear
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@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Toddy said in O Captain! My Captain!:
Did our openside flanker really make the most amount of tackles on the team. Shit, that's a turnup for the books. I think I saw somewhere that Smith made the most passes. Cane also missed was it four or five? A few of those weren't attempts through desperation either just flat out bad misses. Can't fault his heart though or workrate.
Cane has always seemed to me a great lieutenant, but not a captain. Though the only other player I can think of to captain the team would be Whitelock.
If Cane can somehow recover his 2020 form I'd have him first down on the team sheet every day of the week.
That is just so funny and so unobservant. Savea is quite obviously the heir apparent with full support from those around him. The players talk of him, Cane and Whitelock as their leaders and Whitelock seems quite happy to not take the on field arm-band.
If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes.I have a few issues with Ardie as the skipper but one of them is that he suffers from the same issue as Cane in that he’s not the best player in his position
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@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow ok Mike, what do you think should have been said to Barrett the last 4 matches?
Exactly the same
And it was
He was dropped
After 3 losses....I spy something different 😉
Look we get it
You think the sun shines out of RM’s arse and he’s the second coming of Christ
If he can back this performance up with the same but without the brain farts and showboating I’ll be the first to laud him
And if he doesn’t learn and costs you a match you’ll hear me loud and clear
Agree with 50% of this.
He had a couple of brain farts but I’ll take the show boating. That’s what keeps the opposition guessing and makes them uncomfortable.
I’m not sure we would have won with a more boring fly half.
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@MajorRage said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@MiketheSnow ok Mike, what do you think should have been said to Barrett the last 4 matches?
Exactly the same
And it was
He was dropped
After 3 losses....I spy something different 😉
Look we get it
You think the sun shines out of RM’s arse and he’s the second coming of Christ
If he can back this performance up with the same but without the brain farts and showboating I’ll be the first to laud him
And if he doesn’t learn and costs you a match you’ll hear me loud and clear
Agree with 50% of this.
He had a couple of brain farts but I’ll take the show boating. That’s what keeps the opposition guessing and makes them uncomfortable.
I’m not sure we would have won with a more boring fly half.
He did nothing that most competent 10s couldn’t have replicated with the platform
But he did a number of unnecessary things which heaped enormous pressure on himself and the team which most competent 10s wouldn’t entertain
The creative in the backline was Rieko
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@junior said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Toddy said in O Captain! My Captain!:
Did our openside flanker really make the most amount of tackles on the team. Shit, that's a turnup for the books. I think I saw somewhere that Smith made the most passes. Cane also missed was it four or five? A few of those weren't attempts through desperation either just flat out bad misses. Can't fault his heart though or workrate.
Cane has always seemed to me a great lieutenant, but not a captain. Though the only other player I can think of to captain the team would be Whitelock.
If Cane can somehow recover his 2020 form I'd have him first down on the team sheet every day of the week.
That is just so funny and so unobservant. Savea is quite obviously the heir apparent with full support from those around him. The players talk of him, Cane and Whitelock as their leaders and Whitelock seems quite happy to not take the on field arm-band.
If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes.I have a few issues with Ardie as the skipper but one of them is that he suffers from the same issue as Cane in that he’s not the best player in his position
Who is and show me some proof.
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@junior said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Toddy said in O Captain! My Captain!:
Did our openside flanker really make the most amount of tackles on the team. Shit, that's a turnup for the books. I think I saw somewhere that Smith made the most passes. Cane also missed was it four or five? A few of those weren't attempts through desperation either just flat out bad misses. Can't fault his heart though or workrate.
Cane has always seemed to me a great lieutenant, but not a captain. Though the only other player I can think of to captain the team would be Whitelock.
If Cane can somehow recover his 2020 form I'd have him first down on the team sheet every day of the week.
That is just so funny and so unobservant. Savea is quite obviously the heir apparent with full support from those around him. The players talk of him, Cane and Whitelock as their leaders and Whitelock seems quite happy to not take the on field arm-band.
If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes.I have a few issues with Ardie as the skipper but one of them is that he suffers from the same issue as Cane in that he’s not the best player in his position
I think he is playing in his best position. He's an abrasive, wide ranging, skillful ball playing number 8 in the mold of Zinzan Brooke and Kieran Read. I think he would be less effective at 7.
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@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes.
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@Damo said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@junior said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Toddy said in O Captain! My Captain!:
Did our openside flanker really make the most amount of tackles on the team. Shit, that's a turnup for the books. I think I saw somewhere that Smith made the most passes. Cane also missed was it four or five? A few of those weren't attempts through desperation either just flat out bad misses. Can't fault his heart though or workrate.
Cane has always seemed to me a great lieutenant, but not a captain. Though the only other player I can think of to captain the team would be Whitelock.
If Cane can somehow recover his 2020 form I'd have him first down on the team sheet every day of the week.
That is just so funny and so unobservant. Savea is quite obviously the heir apparent with full support from those around him. The players talk of him, Cane and Whitelock as their leaders and Whitelock seems quite happy to not take the on field arm-band.
If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes.I have a few issues with Ardie as the skipper but one of them is that he suffers from the same issue as Cane in that he’s not the best player in his position
I think he is playing in his best position. He's an abrasive, wide ranging, skillful ball playing number 8 in the mold of Zinzan Brooke and Kieran Read. I think he would be less effective at 7.
Quoting myself.
I see I misread your post and responded to a different point to the one you made.
I also think he is the best no. 8 in the country and by quite some distance.
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@Damo said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Damo said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@junior said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Toddy said in O Captain! My Captain!:
Did our openside flanker really make the most amount of tackles on the team. Shit, that's a turnup for the books. I think I saw somewhere that Smith made the most passes. Cane also missed was it four or five? A few of those weren't attempts through desperation either just flat out bad misses. Can't fault his heart though or workrate.
Cane has always seemed to me a great lieutenant, but not a captain. Though the only other player I can think of to captain the team would be Whitelock.
If Cane can somehow recover his 2020 form I'd have him first down on the team sheet every day of the week.
That is just so funny and so unobservant. Savea is quite obviously the heir apparent with full support from those around him. The players talk of him, Cane and Whitelock as their leaders and Whitelock seems quite happy to not take the on field arm-band.
If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes.I have a few issues with Ardie as the skipper but one of them is that he suffers from the same issue as Cane in that he’s not the best player in his position
I think he is playing in his best position. He's an abrasive, wide ranging, skillful ball playing number 8 in the mold of Zinzan Brooke and Kieran Read. I think he would be less effective at 7.
Quoting myself.
I see I misread your post and responded to a different point to the one you made.
I also think he is the best no. 8 in the country and by quite some distance.
Yep, Ardie is easily the best choice.
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@antipodean said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes.
Well put.
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@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@junior said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Toddy said in O Captain! My Captain!:
Did our openside flanker really make the most amount of tackles on the team. Shit, that's a turnup for the books. I think I saw somewhere that Smith made the most passes. Cane also missed was it four or five? A few of those weren't attempts through desperation either just flat out bad misses. Can't fault his heart though or workrate.
Cane has always seemed to me a great lieutenant, but not a captain. Though the only other player I can think of to captain the team would be Whitelock.
If Cane can somehow recover his 2020 form I'd have him first down on the team sheet every day of the week.
That is just so funny and so unobservant. Savea is quite obviously the heir apparent with full support from those around him. The players talk of him, Cane and Whitelock as their leaders and Whitelock seems quite happy to not take the on field arm-band.
If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes.I have a few issues with Ardie as the skipper but one of them is that he suffers from the same issue as Cane in that he’s not the best player in his position
Who is and show me some proof.
Show us some proof that Ardie is a good captain and I’ll show you pigs flying…
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@ACT-Crusader said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@junior said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Crucial said in O Captain! My Captain!:
@Toddy said in O Captain! My Captain!:
Did our openside flanker really make the most amount of tackles on the team. Shit, that's a turnup for the books. I think I saw somewhere that Smith made the most passes. Cane also missed was it four or five? A few of those weren't attempts through desperation either just flat out bad misses. Can't fault his heart though or workrate.
Cane has always seemed to me a great lieutenant, but not a captain. Though the only other player I can think of to captain the team would be Whitelock.
If Cane can somehow recover his 2020 form I'd have him first down on the team sheet every day of the week.
That is just so funny and so unobservant. Savea is quite obviously the heir apparent with full support from those around him. The players talk of him, Cane and Whitelock as their leaders and Whitelock seems quite happy to not take the on field arm-band.
If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes.I have a few issues with Ardie as the skipper but one of them is that he suffers from the same issue as Cane in that he’s not the best player in his position
Who is and show me some proof.
Show us some proof that Ardie is a good captain and I’ll show you pigs flying…
Where did I claim that? I was asking for support to the statement that he wasn't our best 8.
