Springboks v All Blacks I
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@stodders the biggest problem is the forwards. I know I am a broken record but fix that problem first then there will be more front foot ball and space for the backs. I wouldn’t care if we reverted to the day where the ball didn’t get past the first five just to ingrain in the forwards that they have to dominate. And get a halfback who can organize that. Smith, should be dropped because he is not doing that.
2nd five is problematic though I agree. But the backs are playing hot potato in an effort to do something which is stupid.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Bundee Aki currently loitering up in Ireland would walk into the team and he was a cast off about 8 years ago.
Hansen in his wisdom chose Francis Saili over him.... Saili wasn't even starting for the Blues at the time.....
Now Stade Francais have flicked Ngani for Francais.
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@broughie said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders the biggest problem is the forwards. I know I am a broken record but fix that problem first then there will be more front foot ball and space for the backs. I wouldn’t care if we reverted to the day where the ball didn’t get past the first five just to ingrain in the forwards that they have to dominate.
2nd five is problematic though I agree. But the backs are playing hot potato in an effort to do something which is stupid.
Surely not Pick n'Go?
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@broughie said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders the biggest problem is the forwards. I know I am a broken record but fix that problem first then there will be more front foot ball and space for the backs. I wouldn’t care if we reverted to the day where the ball didn’t get past the first five just to ingrain in the forwards that they have to dominate.
2nd five is problematic though I agree. But the backs are playing hot potato in an effort to do something which is stupid.
Forwards were better today in some areas than in Irish series. Lineout went well, scrums were evenly matched as game went on, maul defence was good mostly. Pick and goes worked at times too. Another week with Ryan and they may get better.
ABs gave away too many penalties today and conceded too much territory and pressure. Boks just had to wait for a one out runner to get isolated or a mistake or a brain fade.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
apparently his family haven't settled.
not sure how he has been performing. but he was grand in black every time he played.
didn't he have a ridiculous try scoring ratio for allblacks?
8 tries in 15 games at 12.
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@broughie I here what you saying but I think the forwards are there but they are playing a pattern that emphasises shape and playing the back door rather than getting over the advantage line as you say. And issue of or pattern not matching who we have on the field.
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@mantissanet said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Brodie was missed big time in my book… but will take the win even after Gardner transgressions considered. We were flat mostly but powered through the time against some very flat AB play…. I kept waiting for the spark…Not sure Foster the only issue at the moment and thought Cane played out his skin. Ellis Park next week will hopefully not get too messy but both teams have loads to improve on-
I thought Cane played really well too. I feel sorry for him.
He is a 6.5. Sam Underhill type.
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@98blueandgold well the back door is not working and whatever they have been doing has not for years now. Hopefully next week there will be other signs of life.
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@98blueandgold said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@broughie I here what you saying but I think the forwards are there but they are playing a pattern that emphasises shape and playing the back door rather than getting over the advantage line as you say. And issue of or pattern not matching who we have on the field.
Didn't they change the pod structure? 2-3-2-1 rather than 1-3-3-1? If you want to go up the guts, maybe they need to revert back to 1-3-3-1 again.
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The Bokke have perfected rush defense tonight.
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
The Bokke have perfected rush defense tonight.
They blurred the offside line v well and got away with it. Smart play.
On another day, you'll get pinged off the park. That's the chance you take.
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@stodders the problem i have is they seem to go back door as first option all the time, putting us under huge pressure, defence seems to be able to read it rather easily. we need those pods almost to be run first and then pass (maybe, only being a couch coach haha). When you watch the Irish particularly they are amazing at going to the back door after getting fast front football which creates space. we go back door even if it is slow ball allowing the rush to be effective, isolating carries (hence breakdown issues) or it looks like we are playing hot potato.
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@OomPB You won and congratulations. The Rush defense was perfected because we couldn’t win the forward battle. So then we had to play, tried to play Helter skelter which was stupid, and that made you guys look like world beaters.
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@98blueandgold said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders the problem i have is they seem to go back door as first option all the time, putting us under huge pressure, defence seems to be able to read it rather easily. we need those pods almost to be run first and then pass (maybe, only being a couch coach haha). When you watch the Irish particularly they are amazing at going to the back door after getting fast front football which creates space. we go back door even if it is slow ball allowing the rush to be effective, isolating carries (hence breakdown issues) or it looks like we are playing hot potato.
It is easier to defend if you know the ball carrier is likely to pass out back. It is even easier if the ball carrier has no obvious support to effect a clean out. The patterns the AB use on attack are too obvious, and have been for a while.
Rush defences and their reading of play have got better. AB attack hasn't.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
not sure how he has been performing. but he was grand in black every time he played.
No he wasn't.
His last test at 12 vs Wallabies in Brisbane he offered fuck all - just had no physical impact on the game whatsoever.
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@broughie said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders i’m not that astute to the pod pattens. Let’s just try to win the incremental battles, retain possession and make them tackle.
exactly. we weren't even in a position to advance the scoreboard in increments of 3.
miles off.
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If the truth be told, if the Boks were more clinical with all the possession and territory they had, this could have been very ugly. AB defence was very good for the most part and they stopped Bok runners in their tracks. Good sign.
At no point did the Boks feel any scoreboard pressure. At no point did the ABs build pressure for a concerted 5-10 mins period. Knock ons, bad options, silly penalties, all relieved pressure.
ABs did well to get some momentum back in first half after a thoroughly one sided first 20 mins. At 10-3 at half-time, they'd have been relieved. In the past, AB teams that stayed in the fight would have struck back. This side didn't fire a shot until Clarke's burst late on.
I'm not sure how you fix this in one week.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
If the truth be told, if the Boks were more clinical with all the possession and territory they had, this could have been very ugly. AB defence was very good for the most part and they stopped Bok runners in their tracks. Good sign.
At no point did the Boks feel any scoreboard pressure. At no point did the ABs build pressure for a concerted 5-10 mins period. Knock ons, bad options, silly penalties, all relieved pressure.
ABs did well to get some momentum back in first half after a thoroughly one sided first 20 mins. At 10-3 at half-time, they'd have been relieved. In the past, AB teams that stayed in the fight would have struck back. This side didn't fire a shot until Clarke's burst late on.
I'm not sure how you fix this in one week.
selection table for a start.
ST keeps the hooker jersey.
Rieko needs to be told its 11 or nothing.
Havili relieved of his duties too.
Jordan fullblack.
Ardie or Cane. not both.
That would be a good start.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
not sure how he has been performing. but he was grand in black every time he played.
No he wasn't.
His last test at 12 vs Wallabies in Brisbane he offered fuck all - just had no physical impact on the game whatsoever.
fair enough mate. I suppose whoever isn't playing has their stocks rising.
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we have no sniping threat at 9 anymore. nugget is old or gun shy.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
we have no sniping threat at 9 anymore. nugget is old or gun shy.
Or he's told not to
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From a neutral point of view, I would say this is probably the first time I’ve seen a NZ test side look so out of sorts. Clueless even.
Your guys are better than that.
However, Well done Bokke. Enjoy the day Uncle PB, Smuts etc.
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@Catogrande said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
From a neutral point of view, I would say this is probably the first time I’ve seen a NZ test side look so out of sorts. Clueless even.
Your guys are better than that.
However, Well done Bokke. Enjoy the day Uncle PB, Smuts etc.
You haven't invested in shares of the "Foster out" bandwagon? Or are you hoping the NZRU keep on him until Nov when NZ play England?
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Well deserved Bokke. No doubt.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Catogrande said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
From a neutral point of view, I would say this is probably the first time I’ve seen a NZ test side look so out of sorts. Clueless even.
Your guys are better than that.
However, Well done Bokke. Enjoy the day Uncle PB, Smuts etc.
You haven't invested in shares of the "Foster out" bandwagon? Or are you hoping the NZRU keep on him until Nov when NZ play England?
No and yes 😁
Honestly though, there was really nothing to that performance other than some gutsy defence. No cohesion, mistakes under pressure with little in the way of support, awful discipline, no real idea in attack. The sad truth is that SA didn’t have to play that well to take a relatively pressure free win.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Bundee Aki currently loitering up in Ireland would walk into the team and he was a cast off about 8 years ago.
Hansen in his wisdom chose Francis Saili over him.... Saili wasn't even starting for the Blues at the time.....
The same Saili that took over from a hapless Laumape in France? 😁
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@98blueandgold said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
One thing I noticed is they are obviously got some issues with culture. Maybe I'm overstating it but after Ireland game we were not connected and together after the game or during it, this game there seemed to be an emphasis on celebrating say scrum wins, while after the game they came together for the huddle, incl all non-players. Issues maybe deep rooted. seemed a little forced from outside looking in. In comparison Sth Africa looked like they were best of mates, lots of emotion, like Ireland...
Have to agree. There seems a lack of passion and zero enjoyment on the field. It's almost as if they are either trying to focus too much and are wound up all the time and not letting things flow - or they have some sort of collective anxiety attack at critical times.
You almost think they'd do better if they said "Fuck it, let's just go out there and have some fun - we might not win, but at least we'd be enjoying ourselves a bit"
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
The Bokke have perfected rush defense tonight.
They blurred the offside line v well and got away with it. Smart play.
On another day, you'll get pinged off the park. That's the chance you take.
They should have been tonight
Really poor officiating
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@MiketheSnow it went both ways. The All Blacks had to defend much more.
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@akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Foster really doesn't seem that upset about destroying our legacy does he.
But look at his awesome numbers, under after Hansen's two year over stay, and Foster's tenure we've gone up from 1 to 5! That's gotta be good, right?
Fifth ranked in the world, and Foster says it was our best performance, what a fluffybunny
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Watching Argentina in absolute envy of them actually doing something with the ball. 😞
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@Victor-Meldrew yep and it rubs off on play as simple as Carries. At its simplistic form it’s a collision sport where you have to go 100% we look like we aren’t enjoying it and our Carries reflect that. No damage done. Watching Ireland-SA And even watching Argies now they carry with passion and intensity. Seems simple. That’s why they always say it starts with culture.
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is he just refusing step down so he gets his pay off?
It seems we are into that sort of territory now.
He won't get another good gig after this.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
is he just refusing step down so he gets his pay off?
It seems we are into that sort of territory now.
He won't get another good gig after this.
He probably was going to head off to a nice retirement lost-RWC. He'll get a fair amount of speaking gigs as the "first ever AB coach to be sacked". In a tenure with lots of firsts, getting sacked will be his last.
Unless something quite spectacular happens next week and the ABs run riot against the Boks with a display of panache and guile that was nowhere to be seen today.
Foster will be coach next week. Best get used to that one.
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Woke up watched the game, screw the officiating, we simply sucked. Apart from Samisoni the rest of the tight 5 were simply outplayed. As for the props both sucked de Groot played well off the bench. Maul defence was better, scrums pathetic, lineouts average. No dominance at the breakdown. What is going on with our backs? No creativity, nothing.
Foster is STILL an absolute moron when he says "that was the best performance of the year' faaaarrrkkk ne that was our biggest defeat in SA in 94 years. And the next line from the moron " execute and play with a smile on their face" what the actual fuck is this the Waitemata Under 10's??? Don't forget the oranges dick head.
Sam Cane has to go, played like a donkey. -
an argie just got coat angered high by a wallaby.
Argie 7 is straight in for some handbags with the offender.
Allblacks are lacking that mongrel and solidarity right now.
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