Foster, Robertson etc
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Interesting that Gatland in the NZ Herald recommends Razor for ABs coach when they are both tagged to the England job, maybe Gatland is a smart cookie after all... edit: Oh, Gatland signed to Wales so drops out of England reckoning? Could still be a smart 6N tactic...
"Things have changed in world rugby, in the past, New Zealand would advertise for All Black positions and think that 30 coaches in the world are going to put their names forward...."
"You can't wait till after the World Cup and think people are going to come knocking on your door, because that doesn't happen in professional sport."
just another example of how clueless & out of touch the NZR suits are.
"And that's how other countries are doing it at the moment, they’re drawing up lists of a small number of candidates that they want to talk to over the next few months, and some of them are looking to make announcements early next year."
Where is it written that NZR are doing this, this time?
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Departing Gatland backs Razor as All Blacks coach
Warren Gatland has returned for a second stint as coach of Wales.
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@Chris Yep , but there a difference between cheer leading and saying everything is ok, that neither I nor anyone else has said , and not giving credit for anything maybe. I think in general NZR do a good job, actually think that about almost every rugby board,including England/Wales etc, but can not prefect.
But anyway, we actually agree that they can do better in some things, and every board/club/governmet/etc etc can.
Anyway we probably discussed it enough,, even allowing for the fact we haven't got any games to get our teeth into! -
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris Yep , but there a difference between cheer leading and saying everything is ok, that neither I nor anyone else has said , and not giving credit for anything maybe.
But anyway, we actually agree that they can do better in some things, and every board/club/governmet/etc etc can.
Anyway we probably discussed it enough,, even allowing for the fact we haven't got any games to get our teeth into!Yep fair call on to the next thing, I respect your opinion even if it is slightly different too mine.
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@dogmeat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
An effective Chair who can work with and control the CEO is key IMO.
Yep. I'd only add that it can be the other way around as well. Teamwork is as important in top tier management as it is in the team itself.
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Scott Robertson clearly has enemies in high places
We have to assume that this iteration of the All Blacks and New Zealand Rugby (NZR) don’t want Scott Robertson around.
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@Bones said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Scott Robertson clearly has enemies in high places
We have to assume that this iteration of the All Blacks and New Zealand Rugby (NZR) don’t want Scott Robertson around.
One of the most stupid articles Bidwell has ever written and that's saying something.
"If they wanted him in the national set up he would be there by now." - Razor doesn't want to work with anyone other than his own team.
"We hounded Warren Gatland out of this country." - really?
"We made it clear to Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown and Dave Rennie that they had no future here." - Um, no. They were offered other opportunities and decided not to be dogs with two bones.Article reads like the post of a pissy fans, ignoring facts to make a point.
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@Crucial we know NZR's handling of this hasnt been great, but some of the shite our media are coming out with is worse!
Razr has stated his preferred job, is with the ABs, you would expect NZR are working on things post RWC already as well.
So while I dont have much faith in NZR after some of the poor decisions of the past years, this is one that surely even they cant bungle.
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@taniwharugby if they at least dont have discusstions with j joseph i would be pissed off
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@ploughboy is he coming off contract? You'd think Japan wouldn't be keen to let him go, and Japan must be almost home to him now?
But agree, I do hope they are reaching out to guys like him as well, I mean imagine if we could get him and Razr on the same team
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@taniwharugby i f you dont ask you never know
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@Bones said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Scott Robertson clearly has enemies in high places
We have to assume that this iteration of the All Blacks and New Zealand Rugby (NZR) don’t want Scott Robertson around.
Atrocious article but as expected from this writer.
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@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby i f you dont ask you never know
zero chance of getting them on same teamI wonder if the alleged inability of Robertson and Joseph to work with others is/was perceived as a negative, lack of teamwork issue by NZR?
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@Victor-Meldrew almost certainly, personally i dont think its out of line for the top job, an assistant doesn't get a say on who the head coach is....but a head coach gets a say on the assitant
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However simply speaking it is quite an interesting paradox.
"Give me the 23 best rugby players in New Zealand and I will give you the world cup!!"
"Very good Mr Roberston/Joseph, and of course we'll give you the best coach's in NZ to work with as well".
"Heavens No!! I only want to work with these specific people and couldn't care less about the skills, talents or ability of any other coach".
Whilst of course the above is facetious one mark of a "good coach" is that they can get the best players in the country and form them into the best team. It would seem a little bit odd that they wouldn't take a similar approach with the coaching team. Get the best coach's there are and make them into the best team.
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@Kiwiwomble guess it depends, if the assistant is staying on (you'd assume Ryan will) then I am sure thier opinion on being able to work with the head coach is taken into account, but when they make thier application the HC needs to name his entire team doesnt he?
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
However simply speaking it is quite an interesting paradox.
"Give me the 23 best rugby players in New Zealand and I will give you the world cup!!"
"Very good Mr Roberston/Joseph, and of course we'll give you the best coach's in NZ to work with as well".
"Heavens No!! I only want to work with these specific people and couldn't care less about the skills, talents or ability of any other coach".
Whilst of course the above is facetious one mark of a "good coach" is that they can get the best players in the country and form them into the best team. It would seem a little bit odd that they wouldn't take a similar approach with the coaching team. Get the best coach's there are and make them into the best team.
There's no paradox. Coaches have different methods and philosophies. It stands to reason that they won't necessarily all work well together. Same does apply to players in some circumstances. eg the three best loose forwards in the country may not create the best loose combination.
Then you get coaches that are best at being head and those that can assist.
Last thing we want is another Hart/Wyllie scenario.
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