Foster, Robertson etc
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@ploughboy said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
More click bait ? so many articles on all sort of shit that proved to be wrong.
we will find out what is click bait and not in next week
We have already found out some of it.
Cane being dropped as Captain etc.
Interested in that. Can you post a link?
Ta
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@Victor-Meldrew I think he was referring to the clickbait a few weeks back of Cane being dropped as captain
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
More click bait ? so many articles on all sort of shit that proved to be wrong.
we will find out what is click bait and not in next week
We have already found out some of it.
Cane being dropped as Captain etc.
Interested in that. Can you post a link?
Ta
Yep as per @taniwharugby said clickbait from pre SA.
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A couple of points from this article
There’s more than a touch of irony in the All Blacks’ revival and Ian Foster’s battle for survival as coach of the New Zealand team after their gritty win in Johannesburg.
The impressive 35-23 win had the second hand fingerprints of Scott Robertson, the contender to replace Foster, all over it.
Jason Ryan has made a quick impact as forwards coach. That’s Ryan, Robertson’s long-time assistant at the Crusaders and who was on Robertson’s ticket when he went for the coaching job to replace the retiring Steve Hansen in 2019 but lost out to Foster.Mo’unga stood up when called up. His vision is second-to-none. At Ellis Park his goalkicking was solid, his general kicking highly efficient, his decision-making and game management were exceptional, and he knew when to throw caution to the wind to get the All Blacks out of the danger zones with ball-in-hand attacks that made a mockery of what transpired seven days earlier.
What fucking match was this guy watching?
‘His decision-making and game management were exceptional’
😳😳😳
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Tks. A load of bollocks then.
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@MiketheSnow said in Foster:
A couple of points from this article
There’s more than a touch of irony in the All Blacks’ revival and Ian Foster’s battle for survival as coach of the New Zealand team after their gritty win in Johannesburg.
The impressive 35-23 win had the second hand fingerprints of Scott Robertson, the contender to replace Foster, all over it.
Jason Ryan has made a quick impact as forwards coach. That’s Ryan, Robertson’s long-time assistant at the Crusaders and who was on Robertson’s ticket when he went for the coaching job to replace the retiring Steve Hansen in 2019 but lost out to Foster.Mo’unga stood up when called up. His vision is second-to-none. At Ellis Park his goalkicking was solid, his general kicking highly efficient, his decision-making and game management were exceptional, and he knew when to throw caution to the wind to get the All Blacks out of the danger zones with ball-in-hand attacks that made a mockery of what transpired seven days earlier.
What fucking match was this guy watching?
‘His decision-making and game management were exceptional’
😳😳😳
Not the one you were watching obviously.
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Nice bit of satire
From: Scotty Stevenson Re: All Blacks column
We asked Scotty Stevenson for his thoughts after yesterday's bizarre All Blacks media call.
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Ya know what I hate?
Every time I log on to The Fern this is the most recently posted in thread, and every fluffybunny is saying the same fucking thing over and fucking over...
Where is the GOM thread?
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
I knew a few people that backed Foster solely because Hansen said he was good to go.
At the time I argued that leopards don't change their spots, but Hansen's endorsement meant that they believed Fostyer had learned enough as AB assistant.
Hansen has to bear a huge amount of the blame here. He had massive sway, and he used it unwisely.
I'm surprised, everyone I've talked to around the time had realised Hansen had lost his edge, and obviously should have gone as originally planned after the lions series. His judgement was suspect by then, the 'after more than 7 years in the job you're past your peak and is time to move on' effect was very obvious
Well, it was recognised here. The average punter still thinks Hansen did a good job.
Unlike us rugby tragics, they watch games with their hearts, not analyse them with their heads.
My mate at work still thinks it was a good idea to renew Foster's contract. Despite me warning him what was about to come. And he was a Chiefs fan in Foster's time, so he knew the history. He just wanted to believe that things were going to get better.
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looks like one of your NH journalists agrees about Mounga from the article below
"The omission of Richie Mo'unga for the Ireland series, and the first South African test would have baffled those who follow both Super Rugby and the All Blacks on a consistent basis. Up to this point, Foster had kept faith with the mercurial Beauden Barrett. There is no doubt whatsoever surrounding Barrett's ability as a rugby player, but Mo'unga is the better outside-half. The Crusaders playmaker is himself a mercurial talent and is in many ways a carefree spirit but he has a better balance in his game, and can also be pragmatic when needed.
"He's an outrageous talent who can make impossible things happen but it's his decision making, game management, and the balance in his game with regards to when to attack and when to be cautious which has propelled him into the world-class bracket."
'Foster's masterstroke': British rugby writer says ABs demise 'greatly exaggerated'
A British rugby writer praised Ian Foster and assistant Jason Ryan for turning ABs around.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in Foster:
But. Mark Robinson has also showed and is showing himself to be a poor executive. So, I have no idea what will happen. But I have little doubt if the can is kicked down the road, based on hope his new assistants can drag him upwards - rather than his proven body of work - we will probably just be back here in about December, and then if kicked further, again back here in abut about July.
got a work colleague who has a mate who works in a large venture capitalist firm in the UK.
He was telling him they had a big session set up in London where they were presenting an investment plan to Robinson - (had a few interesting ideas such as setting up was a structure where 'marquee' players would be loaned to teams around the world.. )
anyway, this session - full of some pretty senior execs with global involvement in multiple sports.. Robinson turned up 30 mins late and walked in wearing shorts and a t shirt..
he just seems to miss the mark as the leader of a supposed world leading sports organisation - I really feel like there needs to be some overseas experience brought into NZR from maybe another 'larger' sport to help grow the brand. I know that firm mentioned above were pretty scathing of the AB's social media game.. and you certainly wouldn't say their comms team isn't anything more than average..
Time to stop promoting from within and spread the net a bit widerYou got a colleague who has a mate who work in a large venture capitalist firm??
That is the best opening sentence for ignoring a post I have ever read lol.
Bit like my cousin who knows the the friend of the sister of Sam whitelock or someone???
That said, some of these London VC execs think they're Christmas when they're not even Guy Fawkes. The background makes a bit of difference to the reading.
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Where is the GOM thread?
Waiting for me to chronicle the continuing path of destruction of the 12 yr-old from hell staying with us for 5 days. The little bastard broke everything including the dining table when he was last here at New Year.
Re-reading the same Foster shit over and over again is a kind of diversion therapy for me.
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At the risk of antagonising one or two of the delicate souls here, the signs are that most of the components of a good coaching team are in fact there.
My every intuition is that Joe Schmidt's analysis was critical in identifying personel changes and gameplan tweaks.
And the cattle turned out to be pretty good once there were plans they could understand! Ryan talked of stripping things back (much as Erasmus did).
Both tests with Ryan/Feek combo we've shaded the Boks at lineouts, which is a feather in cap. Scrums a B, Mauls good Bok1, slight issues with ref Bok2. Breakdown pants Boks1, but on top Boks2.
Attack worked well when we didn't force it. I think Foster is trying to work on passing after rush committed, but unless there is some time actually to catch the ball it's asking too much. Did RM stand a couple of yards deeper?
Only area where jury out for me on weekend was backline defence.
The odd thing about all this is that in normal set ups Schmidt would be head coach and Foster assistant. Their relative stature would make that the natural structure. Instead, because Joe won't travel, we've got the reverse. A bit like South Africa and Erasmus.
My personal view is that, with the possible exception of defense, the components are there and with Schmidt deeply involved, and Foster having the faith of the players, the set up can work. And potentially give us a good shot at RWC.
To trash it now, which would only seem to have ANY merit if the replacement is agreed, holds every prsopect of derailing things just as we may have found our way.
Will be interesting what review makes of defense role, but I hope they back Foster and team, with a clear set of objectives for rest of TRC.
And keep Plan B in back pocket.
