Foster, Robertson etc
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
Wouldn't that be ironic.
Don't you think, maybe a little too ironic
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
Wouldn't that be ironic.
Don't you think, maybe a little too ironic
It would be
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One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Exactly this.
And similarly, one Test win doesn't prove the improvement in the forwards engineered by the new coach isn't a one-off either. We've seen improvements in the whole team but we want see it sustained.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Exactly this.
And similarly, one Test win doesn't prove the improvement in the forwards engineered by the new coach isn't a one-off either. We've seen improvements in the whole team but we want see it sustained.
Of course we want to see more improvements.
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@ploughboy said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
More click bait ? so many articles on all sort of shit that proved to be wrong.
we will find out what is click bait and not in next week
We have already found out some of it.
Cane being dropped as Captain etc.
Interested in that. Can you post a link?
Ta
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@Victor-Meldrew I think he was referring to the clickbait a few weeks back of Cane being dropped as captain
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
More click bait ? so many articles on all sort of shit that proved to be wrong.
we will find out what is click bait and not in next week
We have already found out some of it.
Cane being dropped as Captain etc.
Interested in that. Can you post a link?
Ta
Yep as per @taniwharugby said clickbait from pre SA.
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A couple of points from this article
There’s more than a touch of irony in the All Blacks’ revival and Ian Foster’s battle for survival as coach of the New Zealand team after their gritty win in Johannesburg.
The impressive 35-23 win had the second hand fingerprints of Scott Robertson, the contender to replace Foster, all over it.
Jason Ryan has made a quick impact as forwards coach. That’s Ryan, Robertson’s long-time assistant at the Crusaders and who was on Robertson’s ticket when he went for the coaching job to replace the retiring Steve Hansen in 2019 but lost out to Foster.Mo’unga stood up when called up. His vision is second-to-none. At Ellis Park his goalkicking was solid, his general kicking highly efficient, his decision-making and game management were exceptional, and he knew when to throw caution to the wind to get the All Blacks out of the danger zones with ball-in-hand attacks that made a mockery of what transpired seven days earlier.
What fucking match was this guy watching?
‘His decision-making and game management were exceptional’
😳😳😳
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Tks. A load of bollocks then.
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@MiketheSnow said in Foster:
A couple of points from this article
There’s more than a touch of irony in the All Blacks’ revival and Ian Foster’s battle for survival as coach of the New Zealand team after their gritty win in Johannesburg.
The impressive 35-23 win had the second hand fingerprints of Scott Robertson, the contender to replace Foster, all over it.
Jason Ryan has made a quick impact as forwards coach. That’s Ryan, Robertson’s long-time assistant at the Crusaders and who was on Robertson’s ticket when he went for the coaching job to replace the retiring Steve Hansen in 2019 but lost out to Foster.Mo’unga stood up when called up. His vision is second-to-none. At Ellis Park his goalkicking was solid, his general kicking highly efficient, his decision-making and game management were exceptional, and he knew when to throw caution to the wind to get the All Blacks out of the danger zones with ball-in-hand attacks that made a mockery of what transpired seven days earlier.
What fucking match was this guy watching?
‘His decision-making and game management were exceptional’
😳😳😳
Not the one you were watching obviously.
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Nice bit of satire
From: Scotty Stevenson Re: All Blacks column
We asked Scotty Stevenson for his thoughts after yesterday's bizarre All Blacks media call.
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Ya know what I hate?
Every time I log on to The Fern this is the most recently posted in thread, and every fluffybunny is saying the same fucking thing over and fucking over...
Where is the GOM thread?
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
I knew a few people that backed Foster solely because Hansen said he was good to go.
At the time I argued that leopards don't change their spots, but Hansen's endorsement meant that they believed Fostyer had learned enough as AB assistant.
Hansen has to bear a huge amount of the blame here. He had massive sway, and he used it unwisely.
I'm surprised, everyone I've talked to around the time had realised Hansen had lost his edge, and obviously should have gone as originally planned after the lions series. His judgement was suspect by then, the 'after more than 7 years in the job you're past your peak and is time to move on' effect was very obvious
Well, it was recognised here. The average punter still thinks Hansen did a good job.
Unlike us rugby tragics, they watch games with their hearts, not analyse them with their heads.
My mate at work still thinks it was a good idea to renew Foster's contract. Despite me warning him what was about to come. And he was a Chiefs fan in Foster's time, so he knew the history. He just wanted to believe that things were going to get better.
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looks like one of your NH journalists agrees about Mounga from the article below
"The omission of Richie Mo'unga for the Ireland series, and the first South African test would have baffled those who follow both Super Rugby and the All Blacks on a consistent basis. Up to this point, Foster had kept faith with the mercurial Beauden Barrett. There is no doubt whatsoever surrounding Barrett's ability as a rugby player, but Mo'unga is the better outside-half. The Crusaders playmaker is himself a mercurial talent and is in many ways a carefree spirit but he has a better balance in his game, and can also be pragmatic when needed.
"He's an outrageous talent who can make impossible things happen but it's his decision making, game management, and the balance in his game with regards to when to attack and when to be cautious which has propelled him into the world-class bracket."
'Foster's masterstroke': British rugby writer says ABs demise 'greatly exaggerated'
A British rugby writer praised Ian Foster and assistant Jason Ryan for turning ABs around.
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