All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones Barnes swaps places with Peyper in Fiji. Those refs get around.
Tough gig. Probably time to go do a refs course.
A big change in climate too.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Gotta love the oirish accent, I tink. Quinlin et al don't seem that confident, trying to talk themselves up lol
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones Barnes swaps places with Peyper in Fiji. Those refs get around.
Tough gig. Probably time to go do a refs course.
You could claim ârecognition of prior learningâ from the fern
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones Barnes swaps places with Peyper in Fiji. Those refs get around.
Tough gig. Probably time to go do a refs course.
You could claim ârecognition of prior learningâ from the fern
I would need a whole pack of red cards too.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones Barnes swaps places with Peyper in Fiji. Those refs get around.
Tough gig. Probably time to go do a refs course.
You could claim ârecognition of prior learningâ from the fern
Don't want to do that, you'd skip the actual on field refereeing and go straight into WR ref management then. You'd be stuck in Dublin
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones Barnes swaps places with Peyper in Fiji. Those refs get around.
Tough gig. Probably time to go do a refs course.
You could claim ârecognition of prior learningâ from the fern
Don't want to do that, you'd skip the actual on field refereeing and go straight into WR ref management then. You'd be stuck in Dublin
We would confirm that he was still prone to gaps in knowledge under pressure and heâd only get as far as a RWC quarter final
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@Machpants please explain. I thought there are 7 Chiefs. Who are the 6 from Toyota?
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@ARHS said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants please explain. I thought there are 7 Chiefs. Who are the 6 from Toyota?
My error, landers or canes
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@Machpants aha. Makes sense now.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants aha. Makes sense now.
As a Canes supporter, it hurts. Two players, fucking hell
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants aha. Makes sense now.
As a Canes supporter, it hurts. Two players, fucking hell
Over represented
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants aha. Makes sense now.
As a Canes supporter, it hurts. Two players, fucking hell
Over represented
In the immortal words of JRR, fuck off
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It's not really about individuals, it's about the balance of the team.
Rugby is a game of physical dominance and winning the collisions. Up to a point, big men help you do that in every position (for obvious reasons you're not going to play Ben Tameifuna on the wing). If you have too many little men - even in the backs - you're likely to start losing too many collisions - and worst of all losing consecutive collisions.
Same deal applies - according to my theory of rugby - in the loose forwards. You end up with too many collisions where it's big man on medium-sized man - and the medium-sized man doesn't quite have the angle to get his shoulder in perfectly to make his trademark big hit and he loses an extra few inches.
And you keep doing this enough times in the game - eventually the opposition is going to score.
And it's not just in general play. You're giving away a few kgs in the scrum and the maul, you're giving away a few inches at the lineout. And it all matters in the game of inches.
It's why the AB coaches are regularly trying to pack a few more kgs onto their players (to the absolute tipping point where it starts to compromise their performance elsewhere). Those few extra kgs matter.
Our gold standard loose forward trio is Kaino, McCaw, Read. They solved the problems that beset Collins McCaw and Rodney (especially in the lineout - our hookers didn't suddenly learn to throw, we gave them better targets).
I don't believe we're setting a new fashion. I don't believe anyone would pick this new fashion over our gold standard.
We just don't have players of gold standard dimensions (at 6 & 8 ) who are of proven gold standard quality. We re doing the best we can with what we have.
I'll tell you what I do like, though - is Papali'i is pretty close to gold standard quality at 7 - and he's significantly bigger than McCaw!
Go to it!!!
Could he be our?
that's ridiculously high praise
this dude is one of the best rugby players i have ever seen
I don't know if Dalton has quite that potential, and is a more traditional 7, but fuck it, I'll take any opportunity to post a photo of this guy and remind the world that some of the absolute best didn't wear black jerseys.
My absolute favorite non-AB player ever.
absolute weapon. starts at 6 in my All Time XV
I'll see your Smith and raise you a Richard Hill
Boks have been blessed down the years with blind siders (their no. 7s). Smith was a gem. It says something that a player with his capabilities rarely got the big wraps. A silent assassin.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I might be a bit dumb but I cannot quite see the concern regarding Dalton at 6.
He Ăs 6' 4" and weighs 113 kg so not a lightweight.
Kaino was 6' 5"and weighed 110 kg
Collins was 6' 3"and weighed 112 kg
Jerry and Jerome were our best two blindsides for many a moon and I know it is how you use your physical attributes in a game as we have seen way too many gifted athletes who disappoint but I reckon Dalton is going to be good.There's no way peak Jerome Kaino was 110kg. We picked him as a lock - you can't have a guy who weighs the same as a decent sized openside flanker locking an AB scrum. As it turned out, you can't even have Jerome.
As above the Jerry, Rodney Richie trio lacked some height and throughout that era our lineout was a bit vulnerable. .
It was still a helluva back row that consistently got the better opposition that included legends like Schalk Burger, @mariner4life's BF, Pierre Spies, Wikus Van Heerden, George Smith, Phil Waugh, among others
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Whatâs up with Akira? Sore foot or has he been Hansenâd?
Not ideal but given the circumstances the best we have. The Irish are going to hard at our line out and weâll go hard at their breakdown. Under the roof it will hopefully be a fast game where our small loose trio will hopefully shine.
We have cover on the bench with some big bodies in PGS and Patty so not so worried there. In Pattyâs case he may be under done after playing touch rugby in Japan for a season.
ABâs by 10+
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@junior said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I might be a bit dumb but I cannot quite see the concern regarding Dalton at 6.
He Ăs 6' 4" and weighs 113 kg so not a lightweight.
Kaino was 6' 5"and weighed 110 kg
Collins was 6' 3"and weighed 112 kg
Jerry and Jerome were our best two blindsides for many a moon and I know it is how you use your physical attributes in a game as we have seen way too many gifted athletes who disappoint but I reckon Dalton is going to be good.There's no way peak Jerome Kaino was 110kg. We picked him as a lock - you can't have a guy who weighs the same as a decent sized openside flanker locking an AB scrum. As it turned out, you can't even have Jerome.
As above the Jerry, Rodney Richie trio lacked some height and throughout that era our lineout was a bit vulnerable. .
It was still a helluva back row that consistently got the better opposition that included legends like Schalk Burger, @mariner4life's BF, Pierre Spies, Wikus Van Heerden, George Smith, Phil Waugh, among others
If ever there was a player that looked like a Ferrari but played like a Daewoo, that is SpiesâŚ
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@junior said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I might be a bit dumb but I cannot quite see the concern regarding Dalton at 6.
He Ăs 6' 4" and weighs 113 kg so not a lightweight.
Kaino was 6' 5"and weighed 110 kg
Collins was 6' 3"and weighed 112 kg
Jerry and Jerome were our best two blindsides for many a moon and I know it is how you use your physical attributes in a game as we have seen way too many gifted athletes who disappoint but I reckon Dalton is going to be good.There's no way peak Jerome Kaino was 110kg. We picked him as a lock - you can't have a guy who weighs the same as a decent sized openside flanker locking an AB scrum. As it turned out, you can't even have Jerome.
As above the Jerry, Rodney Richie trio lacked some height and throughout that era our lineout was a bit vulnerable. .
It was still a helluva back row that consistently got the better opposition that included legends like Schalk Burger, @mariner4life's BF, Pierre Spies, Wikus Van Heerden, George Smith, Phil Waugh, among others
If ever there was a player that looked like a Ferrari but played like a Daewoo, that is SpiesâŚ
He has a "clean sweep" against the ABs in 2009 to put in his Daewoo
Bok backrow from 2007 WC win was Smith/Burger/Roussow. Really good blend for them.
