All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Mate, I've been here before.
Let's not replicate the on-field headless chicken act when sorting out the coaching.The team success of the Crusaders appears greater than the some of it parts at times.
The ABs are the opposite. In recent years the team success hasn't equated to the quality of the players.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
Nah, just need that little improvement for being better at All Blacking, and the wins will come.
Fucking Cheika talk, no plan, no cleverness.
Only individual brilliance is meaning that we sometimes win
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
Is that true? I always thought the team could remove whoever they like?
As the only dedicated players are FR, I find it hard to believe the ref can dictate a forward must go off - they can just say Leicester is a flanker.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life Wide pass to a flat standing forward from a ruck that gets picked off straight away - does my head in.
First half was a clear example of this. Rieko made 20 odd metres from a scrum inside ABs 22.
Next phase Aaron Smith biffs it to Brodie who gets picked off and penalised for holding on.
There is no way that should be happening one phase after getting so far over the advantage line.
I was yelling at the TV when that happened
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@Bones I said I thought Peyper said we had to send a loosie off...that said, whenever a card has happened in super its a loosie that goes off (if inrecall the 400 cards from super correctly) so you tell me, are they choosing to under power the forwards?
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@antipodean lol what planet are you on? There were multiple occasions last night where we had the Irish back pedalling after two or three phases and then Beauden or Smith frustratingly put boot to ball.
It’s pretty much the main thing they touched on post match, we just aimlessly gave possession away to the Irish all night, and we paid the price.
It’s the thing I hate most about Beauden’s game. He’s not a great tactical kicker and I feel like kicking the ball away is somewhat ingrained into his game these days.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I don't care how good this Irish side is, we played shit and have been playing shit since 2018-ish. That's not disrespectful to the opposition. No one thinks Foster is a good coach, so why is it disrespectful to say we played like headless chickens?
Prediction: Foster sneaks a win in this series and the Bled then gets bundled out of the RWC in the quarters or semis and retires. And that's being highly optimistic.
But not unrealistic
There is precedent
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean lol what planet are you on? There were multiple occasions last night where we had the Irish back pedalling after two or three phases and then Beauden or Smith frustratingly put boot to ball.
It’s pretty much the main thing they touched on post match, we just aimlessly gave possession away to the Irish all night, and we paid the price.
I'm firmly grounded on planet earth where getting our backs to use their individual talent to simply score tries isn't a realistic option.
Hang on. Are you Mooar?
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@antipodean so kicking the ball away aimlessly will win us matches then?
Hang on, are you Fozzie the clown?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
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One thing you can't fault is effort. A few guys killed themselves for the jersey last night.
Thought everything going wrong woke Retallick up as well.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
I actually think you are both right.
Aimless kicking after a few phases which gifts the ball to the opposition and too much going wide when we haven't sucked in the defence and expecting individual genius to win the day.
It's poor game control or tactics - or both.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones I said I thought Peyper said we had to send a loosie off...that said, whenever a card has happened in super its a loosie that goes off (if inrecall the 400 cards from super correctly) so you tell me, are they choosing to under power the forwards?
Yes.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
You must be Fozzie then, that’s just completely limited thinking.
Great teams like the Crusaders in recent years and the ABs in years gone by have been able to break down their opposition by building phases and stretching teams to the edges with their superior skillset, even from inside their own half.
All Black sides have been scoring tries from inside their own half for years by backing their ability to beat their opposition man on man.
The fact that you think running it from inside your own half is strategically dumb makes me think you’ve only just started watching rugby in the last few years OR you’re a Pom and you grew up watching Wilkinson.
Have the ABs really become that limited in our game plan that building pressure from inside our own half is a bad move? Well then, I’m not surprised we are losing on a regular with that mindset.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
You must be Fozzie then, that’s just completely limited thinking.
Great teams like the Crusaders in recent years and the ABs in years gone by have been able to break down their opposition by building phases and stretching teams to the edges with their superior skillset, even from inside their own half.
All Black sides have been scoring tries from inside their own half for years by backing their ability to beat their opposition man on man.
The fact that you think running it from inside your own half is strategically dumb makes me think you’ve only just started watching rugby in the last few years OR you’re a Pom and you grew up watching Wilkinson.
It's 2022. You're simply demonstrating you've got no concept of modern rugby.
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@antipodean okay Ian Foster. Carry on playing Fozzie ball and we’ll continue to lose. 🤡🤡🤡
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
You must be Fozzie then, that’s just completely limited thinking.
Great teams like the Crusaders in recent years and the ABs in years gone by have been able to break down their opposition by building phases and stretching teams to the edges with their superior skillset, even from inside their own half.
All Black sides have been scoring tries from inside their own half for years by backing their ability to beat their opposition man on man.
The fact that you think running it from inside your own half is strategically dumb makes me think you’ve only just started watching rugby in the last few years OR you’re a Pom and you grew up watching Wilkinson.
Have the ABs really become that limited in our game plan that building pressure from inside our own half is a bad move? Well then, I’m not surprised we are losing on a regular with that mindset.
2015 called and it wants its game plan back
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@Bones you saying yes the rules say you can replace who you like or yes you think teams would prefer to under power thier scrum?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean okay Ian Foster. Carry on playing Fozzie ball and we’ll continue to lose.
I haven't defended Foster's selections, coaching or tactics. But keep thinking "just run it" is a solution against tier one nations now.
"Can't run as fast because heavier" is looking like genuine insight compared to you.
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@mariner4life I think George Bower has been going well , need somebody to step up in the number 3 jersey
