All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@MrDenmore I don’t think the World Cup is out of the question. It’s a tournament that really doesn’t have much bearing on what happens prior to it starting.
Teams that have made the final or even won it have had varied success in the year or two leading up.
And in these tournaments, unpredictable stuff happens that can turn for better or worst.
I’m more in the camp that there are too many factors at play to judge the here and now and equate that to success or failure at a tournament next year.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MrDenmore I don’t think the World Cup is out of the question. It’s a tournament that really doesn’t have much bearing on what happens prior to it starting.
Teams that have made the final or even won it have had varied success in the year or two leading up.
And in these tournaments, unpredictable stuff happens that can turn for better or worst.
I’m more in the camp that there are too many factors at play to judge the here and now and equate that to success or failure at a tournament next year.
It's quite weird that lets say Fozzie wins next week, we retain the Bled, and the Rugby Championship, then head to the RWC and win that. Fozzie would have won everything on offer, the big cups each year and then the RWC. And he'll likely still have the worst record of AB coaches and be considered a failure.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MrDenmore I don’t think the World Cup is out of the question. It’s a tournament that really doesn’t have much bearing on what happens prior to it starting.
Teams that have made the final or even won it have had varied success in the year or two leading up.
And in these tournaments, unpredictable stuff happens that can turn for better or worst.
I’m more in the camp that there are too many factors at play to judge the here and now and equate that to success or failure at a tournament next year.
It's quite weird that lets say Fozzie wins next week, we retain the Bled, and the Rugby Championship, then head to the RWC and win that. Fozzie would have won everything on offer, the big cups each year and then the RWC. And he'll likely still have the worst record of AB coaches and be considered a failure.
If that happens then there will pigs flying everywhere in the air.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Nothing like an intelligent and compassionate debate from devoted supporters backing their their beloved team win or lose. Truly inspiring for one team for the next match.
We should all just pretend we won! Condescending, pompous nonsense.
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My biggest disappointment in this team is their inability to chance their arm when we have ball in hand. How many times have we gone a couple phases and then aimlessly kicked the ball away? It’s almost ingrained into this team atm, there is no innovation at all.
How about instead of running through the motions we actually chance our arm a little and use the talent at our disposal. The reason the likes of Ardie, Reiko, Jordan, Reece etc are in this side is for their ability to cut teams to shreds, yet we hardly ever spin it wide.
All we are doing at the moment is handing over possession to the other team and then wondering why we are spending large spells of the game defending.
Keep doing the same shit and we’ll keep getting the same results.
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@Nepia ha yeah I was sitting there last night thinking what a clusterfuck.
Didnt the ref say we had to send off a loose forward? DP was already off, we arent gonna send off our captain (as much as some would prefer) AS was the only one.
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
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@Canes4life Wide pass to a flat standing forward from a ruck that gets picked off straight away - does my head in.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life Wide pass to a flat standing forward from a ruck that gets picked off straight away - does my head in.
First half was a clear example of this. Rieko made 20 odd metres from a scrum inside ABs 22.
Next phase Aaron Smith biffs it to Brodie who gets picked off and penalised for holding on.
There is no way that should be happening one phase after getting so far over the advantage line.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life Wide pass to a flat standing forward from a ruck that gets picked off straight away - does my head in.
First half was a clear example of this. Rieko made 20 odd metres from a scrum inside ABs 22.
Next phase Aaron Smith biffs it to Brodie who gets picked off and penalised for holding on.
There is no way that should be happening one phase after getting so far over the advantage line.
was at game i said at time ireland were never on side
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@KiwiMurph bodies in motion gets used alot, just not by us.
It reminds me of when I was coaching U14s and trying to get them to take the ball at pace, and line speed on defence (crucial for when you have a smaller guy defending the larger one, cut down his space and options)
Yet so much of our play is passive, waiting for the ball, waiting for the defence, by contrast the rush defence that we cant break, and clearly not even replicate.
I have tried not to be too hard or critical of Fozzie and his team, cos, well it is no doubt a tougher job than Gats portrayed it as when he said anyone could do it, but by the same token, there appears little actual coaching, innovation or learning.
@booboo mentioned above taking a tap kick at penalty time that we did last night, was that thought out as a tactic, replicated from what the Irish did last week, or just a team and leader devoid of ideas?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Teams that have made the final or even won it have had varied success in the year or two leading up.
England in 07 were dreadful - lost 36-0 against SA in the pool phase, but were a dragging foot away from winning the final. Knockout rugby is weird.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo mentioned above taking a tap kick at penalty time that we did last night, was that thought out as a tactic, replicated from what the Irish did last week, or just a team and leader devoid of ideas?
Where is our innovation? We just seem to play the same, decrepit gameplan. There was a time when it felt like we led the world in innovative thinking about Rugby, but now it's just risnse and repeat with braindead tactics.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo mentioned above taking a tap kick at penalty time that we did last night, was that thought out as a tactic, replicated from what the Irish did last week, or just a team and leader devoid of ideas?
I had actually been thinking about the tap close to the line as a tactic for a while now. How often do we see the attacking team penalised at the scrum when they take that option? Enough to cause me some frustration. From memory the ABs got pinged last week didn't they?
Would an old fashioned wall at a tap be legal nowadays?
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Razor has a clear way he gets the Saders to play. Everyone seems to be very sure of their roles and they all function harmoniously as part of the wider team. These are things you can't say about the ABs right now. Things we need
Talking sense bro
Called leadership
Desperate times, desperate measures. Re man the bridge, intro some Crusaders props, start Samisoni, intro a young lock from the bench, Whitelock captain . Dont mind a few losses but this chaotic non progression is insane
Where's Razor -
Paps 7. He's good in that space!
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo mentioned above taking a tap kick at penalty time that we did last night, was that thought out as a tactic, replicated from what the Irish did last week, or just a team and leader devoid of ideas?
Where is our innovation? We just seem to play the same, decrepit gameplan. There was a time when it felt like we led the world in innovative thinking about Rugby, but now it's just risnse and repeat with braindead tactics.
Not to worry, Winnie the Pooh has announced a new approach called being more "3 dimensional". I'll be at the ground next Sat and look forward to seeing wtf that looks like.
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@Chris-B lack or performance I.e results. Happens all the time in professional sport and other high performance environments such investment management when a fund manager consistently under performs.
