Hurricanes 2023
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@Stargazer because he has the skillset. I.e Cory Jane was a fullback but 14 ended up being his best position. If he can ply multiple positions then he’s definitely a player the Canes won’t want to let slip through their grasp.
At the end of the day 15 isn't too dissimilar to the right wing in the modern game.
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@Canes4life He has - for someone so young - already great game management skills. Those skills would be wasted on the wing. I've nothing against moving Love to the wing though.
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@Canes4life any first five being played on the wing would remind me of Todd Blackadder playing Colin Slade on the wing at the crusaders🙂😂
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@FakatavaAllBlack Godfrey is more of a fullback than a first five isn’t he? If he’s trying to crack the Canes as a first five I think he’s better to look elsewhere. Where that is I’m not sure because he’ll be behind talented players wherever he goes.
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@Canes4life Godfrey was a 1st 5 at Whanganui Collegiate in combination with Adam Lennox (halfback).
With Love and Morgan, in the NZ age-group teams they've played in together, Morgan has always been the 1st 5. Love has more utility value so could play in other positions. In the NZ Schools game against Aust, he started on the wing and ended up at 2nd 5.
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Winger Definitely an upgrade from JGB. Cameron can run, too!
Agree about Morgan and Love, although I think Morgan has already shown more potential at 10 than Love.
I haven't seen him play but I hope he's good. Hes been pumped up playing for Manawatu
But comparing him to JGB. He lost form after he returned from injury and was close to useless. He was never great but did have some good games before he was out for a year or so.
What about Jordie Barrett. We need to keep him but so far I haven't read anything about his plans. He's easily our best back now. While some are rated I think all the rest have limitations.
Im unsure if the Canes try to attract top players and can't or just can't identify potential AB talent now. Chiefs are still doing well but Hurricanes like the Highlanders are missing out
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Winger think the canes will keep Jordie, his best friend just signed on yesterday!
Hope so. As the Canes don't look even close to having a winning team so he may conside rhis options. Chiefs would welcome him with open arms. Crusaders and Blues already have good options at FB and 2nd 5.
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@Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Winger Definitely an upgrade from JGB. Cameron can run, too!
Agree about Morgan and Love, although I think Morgan has already shown more potential at 10 than Love.
I haven't seen him play but I hope he's good. Hes been pumped up playing for Manawatu
But comparing him to JGB. He lost form after he returned from injury and was close to useless. He was never great but did have some good games before he was out for a year or so.
What about Jordie Barrett. We need to keep him but so far I haven't read anything about his plans. He's easily our best back now. While some are rated I think all the rest have limitations.
Im unsure if the Canes try to attract top players and can't or just can't identify potential AB talent now. Chiefs are still doing well but Hurricanes like the Highlanders are missing out
I don’t agree with you here, we brought in Moorby and Sullivan last year and they were awesome. I think Moorby scored the most tries by a Hurricane player in a rookie season and has the potential to kick on to be a very good player.
Jordie Barrett is our best back yes, but I disagree that the other backs in the side have their limits.
The likes of Love (21), Moorby (24), Roigard (21), Sullivan (23), Rayasi (25), Umaga Jensen (24) and now Cameron (25) are all still very young and who knows how far they will go. To say they have their limitations is a bit early don’t you think?
Then you have an even younger crop of talent coming through in the likes of Higgins (19) and Godfrey (20) who have the makings of being very capable football players.
TJ Perenara and Julian Savea are probably seeing out their last years at the Hurricanes so it would be good to replace those guys with more experience so we don’t have a squad full of young players (with potential) and instead have a sprinkling of proven talent aswell.
Anyway I’m sure there’s room for a few more signings yet.
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@Canes4life I agree that the Hurricanes brought in some really good talent, who could lift the Hurricanes in the future from where they are now, although that also depends on the coaching and the opportunities they get. Think of a player like PUJ, who doesn't get those opportunities and can, therefore, maybe not develop his potential. That's probably the Canes' biggest problem.
I'm not convinced yet that Cameron's potential is that high, esp as he failed to convince at the Crusaders and was overtaken by a younger player, but who knows? It may still come. I haven't been overwhelmed by Roigard yet, either, and even Rayasi has some issues. So I kind of get where @Winger is coming from with his comment.
By the way, Godfrey is younger than Higgins. Higgins turns 20 this year; Godfrey next year (again eligible for NZU20).
I sure hope Jordie stays. It may be a good thing for the Canes that Perofeta has stepped up, that Zarn Sullivan is showing much promise & that they have RTS at 12. The Blues may be less inclined to go after Jordie again. IF Jordie would join his brother at the Blues, the Canes should go after Zarn, to reunite him with his brother.
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@Stargazer Jordie will stay, Brett Cameron’s one of his best mates so doubt he will shift.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Stargazer Jordie will stay, Brett Cameron’s one of his best mates so doubt he will shift.
Cameron looks good with a second five he can hand off too as well, so you’d have to wonder if the Canes will consider a Cameron, Barrett, PUJ 10-12-13 axis. They can then use Moorby/Love at 15.
Edit: Laumape could be dark horse for a return as well on that basis
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@gt12 said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Stargazer Jordie will stay, Brett Cameron’s one of his best mates so doubt he will shift.
Cameron looks good with a second five he can hand off too as well, so you’d have to wonder if the Canes will consider a Cameron, Barrett, PUJ 10-12-13 axis. They can then use Moorby/Love at 15.
Edit: Laumape could be dark horse for a return as well on that basis
It's sounding unlikely Laumape will return but if he does it's only a bonus.
A starting backline of 9. Perenara 10. Cameron 11. Sullivan 12. Barrett 13. PUJ 14. Moorby 15. Love has a nice balance to it.
Reserve backs: 21. Roigard 22. Morgan 23. Rayasi
I feel if Jordie Barrett plays 12 you need Love at 15, his kicking game is superior to Moorby who can quite easily shift to the wing. I've got Sullivan on the left wing because he's too good to leave out of the starting side and would be a better option than Rayasi IMO.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
@gt12 said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Stargazer Jordie will stay, Brett Cameron’s one of his best mates so doubt he will shift.
Cameron looks good with a second five he can hand off too as well, so you’d have to wonder if the Canes will consider a Cameron, Barrett, PUJ 10-12-13 axis. They can then use Moorby/Love at 15.
Edit: Laumape could be dark horse for a return as well on that basis
It's sounding unlikely Laumape will return but if he does it's only a bonus.
A starting backline of 9. Perenara 10. Cameron 11. Sullivan 12. Barrett 13. PUJ 14. Moorby 15. Love has a nice balance to it.
Reserve backs: 21. Roigard 22. Morgan 23. Rayasi
I feel if Jordie Barrett plays 12 you need Love at 15, his kicking game is superior to Moorby who can quite easily shift to the wing. I've got Sullivan on the left wing because he's too good to leave out of the starting side and would be a better option than Rayasi IMO.
Even if you lose PUJ to the Landers you could be ok as you can use Sullivan at 13 and Rayasi in the wing (assuming we don’t steal him)
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It will be interesting whether Jordie will play at 12 at all for the Canes, next season, especially as he's unlikely to play there for the All Blacks. If he does, it won't do his chances of All Blacks starts at fullback any favours. He may well lose the black 15 jersey to Jordan, Dmac or BB.
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@Stargazer If I were Jordie Barrett and looked at Will Jordan as my competition at 15 and David Havili at 12, I know which fight I'd pick.
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@reprobate Yep, but he's not in control. The selectors are and they've made it clear they see him as a fullback.
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2023:
@reprobate Yep, but he's not in control. The selectors are and they've made it clear they see him as a fullback.
He needs to find out where Razor sees his position....
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@Higgins said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Nepia I will come to the defence of @Canes4life here. He has stopped fluffing Alex Fidow (and to a leser extent Xavier Numia) for about 18 months now. Whether that is because he no longer falls into the young Wellington players category or he has finally accepted and agreed with me that Mr. Fidow will never master the arts for propping to be effective at any level over Premier Reserve club level (Ories don't always start him at prop).
Where’s Fidow off to? I know he’s playing Harbour in NPC but is he off overseas after that? Still v.young and might round out his game with a stint in Europe for a few years.
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2023:
@reprobate Yep, but he's not in control. The selectors are and they've made it clear they see him as a fullback.
He’s probably betting that Razor takes over at some point soon and we all know Robertson sees him as a 12 just as much as he sees him as a fullback.
