Formula 1
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@WestieFella said in Formula 1:
With the disqualification LL up to 12th, at this rate LL will endup winning.
Rumors already that they are swapping him with Yuki before Japan, which might actually be a good thing for Liam.If they turned out to be true, I would think LL should welcome switching to what would appear to be a far more forgiving car
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The elephant in the room is Russell in the Merc out pointing Hamilton in the Ferrari. Has he blundered in swapping teams or is he simply on the decline?
He's just changed teams. He seems to be having teething issues with the car. Give him some time. I know it's not a GP, but he did win a sprint race already
Doesn't sound all too happy with his race engineer either.
Leclerc having a lighter car might explain the extra pace.
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The elephant in the room is Russell in the Merc out pointing Hamilton in the Ferrari. Has he blundered in swapping teams or is he simply on the decline?
He's just changed teams. He seems to be having teething issues with the car. Give him some time. I know it's not a GP, but he did win a sprint race already
Doesn't sound all too happy with his race engineer either.
Leclerc having a lighter car might explain the extra pace.
Yeah, Lewis snaps at him a lot. Might be a change there at some point soon. I recall LH telling him to stop talking last weekend. Then in China he's asking him why he isn't giving him more information. Poor bastard can't win
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The elephant in the room is Russell in the Merc out pointing Hamilton in the Ferrari. Has he blundered in swapping teams or is he simply on the decline?
Ferrari offered Lewis Hamilton £41 million a year to switch. No one else was going to offer a 40 year driver that much. It will be a nice little earner before he retires in three or four years time.
For you and me, well, I'm presuming in your case, £41M would be a hell of an incentive but for Hamilton, with his wealth, having a shot at another title and eclipsing Schumacher would possibly be a bigger incentive?
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Talks of Yuki replacing Lawson in the Red Bull seat as early as Japan. If this happens, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lawson then easily beats Yuki. I feel like it's the car and not so much the driver but so many comments on social media slandering Lawson, mostly coming from Checo fans.
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Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
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Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
You can't ignore the trend that all drivers that have jumped into that second seat at Red Bull have struggled. Something tells me it's not just the driver, but yes, Lawson needs to be better. Will he get that chance? Maybe, maybe not.
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@Canes4life said in Formula 1:
Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
You can't ignore the trend that all drivers that have jumped into that second seat at Red Bull have struggled. Something tells me it's not just the driver, but yes, Lawson needs to be better. Will he get that chance? Maybe, maybe not.
This is a valid point. If you look at other teams that have been dominant over the years (save perhaps Benneton), they have not had that huge gap. No2 driver has usually been up in the points. Red Bull seem to not value their No2 driver or maybe just prefer to fellate their No1.
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
@Canes4life said in Formula 1:
Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
You can't ignore the trend that all drivers that have jumped into that second seat at Red Bull have struggled. Something tells me it's not just the driver, but yes, Lawson needs to be better. Will he get that chance? Maybe, maybe not.
This is a valid point. If you look at other teams that have been dominant over the years (save perhaps Benneton), they have not had that huge gap. No2 driver has usually been up in the points. Red Bull seem to not value their No2 driver or maybe just prefer to fellate their No1.
It's odd that in 2022-23 they were so dominant, with Perez and Max killing it. Something has gone wrong design wise to a point where even Verstappen doesn't like it. Sort of reminds me of Team NZ and the failed HULA experiment. Designers going down a blind end and losing sight that it should ultimately be a driver's car
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@Canes4life said in Formula 1:
Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
You can't ignore the trend that all drivers that have jumped into that second seat at Red Bull have struggled. Something tells me it's not just the driver, but yes, Lawson needs to be better. Will he get that chance? Maybe, maybe not.
I know with a reasonable degree of certainty, that it is most certainly a lot to do with the car
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Not sure this site is that reliable, but here we go. Interesting on Max's thoughts if true.
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Being demoted could be a great career move for Liam. Especially if he starts outperforming yuki.
Reading the above article it sound's like Redbull isn't a great environment to be in at the moment. I'm sure if that's the case then it will have a flow on effect to the junior team, but atleast LL will be 1 step removed from it. And both junior cars seem to be preforming well. -
@WestieFella said in Formula 1:
Being demoted could be a great career move for Liam. Especially if he starts outperforming yuki.
Reading the above article it sound's like Redbull isn't a great environment to be in at the moment. I'm sure if that's the case then it will have a flow on effect to the junior team, but atleast LL will be 1 step removed from it. And both junior cars seem to be preforming well.If the demotion happens, I think it will be a weight off LL. He can have the freedom to drive a more user friendly car and show what he is capable of. If Yuki is good enough to tame the RB then good on him. But I suspect he will struggle also, because there are systemic problems with RB21.
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Lots of guessing going on in the media at the moment. Rumour here/there everywhere!
The only things we know is that Max is able to get some decent performance out of the car and Lawson isn't. Max will complain about the car being poor if he's not winning races - that is what he is used to & is what can be expected from him. Regardless, Lawson shouldn't be at the back of the pack with a car that somebody else can push for podium's in. He should still be top 10, and able to pass the lesser teams when starting at the back of the pack. Thats on him, and no criticism of the car can change that. All the drivers in before him were able to at least be semi-competitive.
Horner seems to be sympathetic in the media, but I'd trust him on that as far as I can throw him.
Liam has proven himself multiple times to be worthy of a seat in the top echelon of the sport, but perhaps his ceiling is similar to that of Hulkenberg. Time will tell.
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From Stuff - From a Dutch paper - with alledged 'multiple sources'. Bloody harsh on Liam, cuthroat, but that's what you are involved in at that level. Luckily for him RB have a junior team, otherwise he'd just be out
The article in De Telegraaf stated that “a top meeting of Red Bull’’ took place in Dubai, where the Thai major shareholder Chalerm Yoovidhya lives. Engine supplier Honda was reported to have been involved in the deal. The Japanese manufacturer supports Tsunoda (24), also in financial terms. De Telegraaf said several sources had confirmed Lawson had been demoted.This followed earlier reports by another Dutch newspaper, De Limburger.
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@Machpants said in Formula 1:
From Stuff - From a Dutch paper - with alledged 'multiple sources'. Bloody harsh on Liam, cuthroat, but that's what you are involved in at that level. Luckily for him RB have a junior team, otherwise he'd just be out
The article in De Telegraaf stated that “a top meeting of Red Bull’’ took place in Dubai, where the Thai major shareholder Chalerm Yoovidhya lives. Engine supplier Honda was reported to have been involved in the deal. The Japanese manufacturer supports Tsunoda (24), also in financial terms. De Telegraaf said several sources had confirmed Lawson had been demoted.This followed earlier reports by another Dutch newspaper, De Limburger.
Red Bull is expected to make the news official later this week.Probably a good move for him. He can race a more forgiving car and hopefully show his stuff with less pressure. Big pressure on Yuki, or whoever they promote to do the business. Of course if that coincides with a major rejig of the car over the next 10 days to make it much more forgiving that would be hugely unfair
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@barbarian said in Formula 1:
Ultimately Red Bull made a mess of the transition, as they did with Albon before it. You wonder if Horner may not be the genius he thinks, and rather is continually saved by Max being a generational talent.
Probably a bit of both. Lawson would have been better served having a full season in the Racing Bulls team, the jump to RB was always going to be tough
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@Machpants said in Formula 1:
From Stuff - From a Dutch paper - with alledged 'multiple sources'. Bloody harsh on Liam, cuthroat, but that's what you are involved in at that level. Luckily for him RB have a junior team, otherwise he'd just be out
The article in De Telegraaf stated that “a top meeting of Red Bull’’ took place in Dubai, where the Thai major shareholder Chalerm Yoovidhya lives. Engine supplier Honda was reported to have been involved in the deal. The Japanese manufacturer supports Tsunoda (24), also in financial terms. De Telegraaf said several sources had confirmed Lawson had been demoted.This followed earlier reports by another Dutch newspaper, De Limburger.
Red Bull is expected to make the news official later this week.Probably a good move for him. He can race a more forgiving car and hopefully show his stuff with less pressure. Big pressure on Yuki, or whoever they promote to do the business. Of course if that coincides with a major rejig of the car over the next 10 days to make it much more forgiving that would be hugely unfair
Hard to know if this is a fait accompli because of media pressure or regurgitation of one well placed rumour.
Ultimately Red Bull may be best served letting Lawson do one more race. At least that way they can rule out unfamiliarity with the track as a contributing factor.
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@antipodean said in Formula 1:
@Machpants said in Formula 1:
From Stuff - From a Dutch paper - with alledged 'multiple sources'. Bloody harsh on Liam, cuthroat, but that's what you are involved in at that level. Luckily for him RB have a junior team, otherwise he'd just be out
The article in De Telegraaf stated that “a top meeting of Red Bull’’ took place in Dubai, where the Thai major shareholder Chalerm Yoovidhya lives. Engine supplier Honda was reported to have been involved in the deal. The Japanese manufacturer supports Tsunoda (24), also in financial terms. De Telegraaf said several sources had confirmed Lawson had been demoted.This followed earlier reports by another Dutch newspaper, De Limburger.
Red Bull is expected to make the news official later this week.Probably a good move for him. He can race a more forgiving car and hopefully show his stuff with less pressure. Big pressure on Yuki, or whoever they promote to do the business. Of course if that coincides with a major rejig of the car over the next 10 days to make it much more forgiving that would be hugely unfair
Hard to know if this is a fait accompli because of media pressure or regurgitation of one well placed rumour.
Ultimately Red Bull may be best served letting Lawson do one more race. At least that way they can rule out unfamiliarity with the track as a contributing factor.
Agree with that 100% Especially after the chassis mods and the likelihood of more to come before Suzuka
