Formula 1
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@canefan the car is still fast enough to be in the top ten...
... in the hands of one of the GOATs of F1.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360625336/liam-lawson-finishes-15th-chinese-grand-prix
Even the man himself says the car is a pig to drive
It's literally impossible to argue it's not fast enough to be in the top ten.
Lawson is definitely doing it tough. Suzuka will be a big chance for him, on a track he is very familiar with
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The elephant in the room is Russell in the Merc out pointing Hamilton in the Ferrari. Has he blundered in swapping teams or is he simply on the decline?
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Adjusted 2025 F1 Chinese Grand Prix results after shock disqualifications
Check out the full adjusted results from the 2025 F1 Chinese Grand Prix - Round 2 of 24 in the 2025 season!
Carnage in the stewards room. Both Ferraris and Gasly DQed
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The elephant in the room is Russell in the Merc out pointing Hamilton in the Ferrari. Has he blundered in swapping teams or is he simply on the decline?
Ferrari offered Lewis Hamilton £41 million a year to switch. No one else was going to offer a 40 year driver that much. It will be a nice little earner before he retires in three or four years time.
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Hamilton disqualified.
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The elephant in the room is Russell in the Merc out pointing Hamilton in the Ferrari. Has he blundered in swapping teams or is he simply on the decline?
He's just changed teams. He seems to be having teething issues with the car. Give him some time. I know it's not a GP, but he did win a sprint race already
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With the disqualification LL up to 12th, at this rate LL will endup winning.
Rumors already that they are swapping him with Yuki before Japan, which might actually be a good thing for Liam. -
@WestieFella said in Formula 1:
With the disqualification LL up to 12th, at this rate LL will endup winning.
Rumors already that they are swapping him with Yuki before Japan, which might actually be a good thing for Liam.If they turned out to be true, I would think LL should welcome switching to what would appear to be a far more forgiving car
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The elephant in the room is Russell in the Merc out pointing Hamilton in the Ferrari. Has he blundered in swapping teams or is he simply on the decline?
He's just changed teams. He seems to be having teething issues with the car. Give him some time. I know it's not a GP, but he did win a sprint race already
Doesn't sound all too happy with his race engineer either.
Leclerc having a lighter car might explain the extra pace.
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The elephant in the room is Russell in the Merc out pointing Hamilton in the Ferrari. Has he blundered in swapping teams or is he simply on the decline?
He's just changed teams. He seems to be having teething issues with the car. Give him some time. I know it's not a GP, but he did win a sprint race already
Doesn't sound all too happy with his race engineer either.
Leclerc having a lighter car might explain the extra pace.
Yeah, Lewis snaps at him a lot. Might be a change there at some point soon. I recall LH telling him to stop talking last weekend. Then in China he's asking him why he isn't giving him more information. Poor bastard can't win
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The elephant in the room is Russell in the Merc out pointing Hamilton in the Ferrari. Has he blundered in swapping teams or is he simply on the decline?
Ferrari offered Lewis Hamilton £41 million a year to switch. No one else was going to offer a 40 year driver that much. It will be a nice little earner before he retires in three or four years time.
For you and me, well, I'm presuming in your case, £41M would be a hell of an incentive but for Hamilton, with his wealth, having a shot at another title and eclipsing Schumacher would possibly be a bigger incentive?
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Talks of Yuki replacing Lawson in the Red Bull seat as early as Japan. If this happens, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lawson then easily beats Yuki. I feel like it's the car and not so much the driver but so many comments on social media slandering Lawson, mostly coming from Checo fans.
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Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
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Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
You can't ignore the trend that all drivers that have jumped into that second seat at Red Bull have struggled. Something tells me it's not just the driver, but yes, Lawson needs to be better. Will he get that chance? Maybe, maybe not.
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@Canes4life said in Formula 1:
Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
You can't ignore the trend that all drivers that have jumped into that second seat at Red Bull have struggled. Something tells me it's not just the driver, but yes, Lawson needs to be better. Will he get that chance? Maybe, maybe not.
This is a valid point. If you look at other teams that have been dominant over the years (save perhaps Benneton), they have not had that huge gap. No2 driver has usually been up in the points. Red Bull seem to not value their No2 driver or maybe just prefer to fellate their No1.
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
@Canes4life said in Formula 1:
Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
You can't ignore the trend that all drivers that have jumped into that second seat at Red Bull have struggled. Something tells me it's not just the driver, but yes, Lawson needs to be better. Will he get that chance? Maybe, maybe not.
This is a valid point. If you look at other teams that have been dominant over the years (save perhaps Benneton), they have not had that huge gap. No2 driver has usually been up in the points. Red Bull seem to not value their No2 driver or maybe just prefer to fellate their No1.
It's odd that in 2022-23 they were so dominant, with Perez and Max killing it. Something has gone wrong design wise to a point where even Verstappen doesn't like it. Sort of reminds me of Team NZ and the failed HULA experiment. Designers going down a blind end and losing sight that it should ultimately be a driver's car
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@Canes4life said in Formula 1:
Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
You can't ignore the trend that all drivers that have jumped into that second seat at Red Bull have struggled. Something tells me it's not just the driver, but yes, Lawson needs to be better. Will he get that chance? Maybe, maybe not.
I know with a reasonable degree of certainty, that it is most certainly a lot to do with the car
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Not sure this site is that reliable, but here we go. Interesting on Max's thoughts if true.
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Being demoted could be a great career move for Liam. Especially if he starts outperforming yuki.
Reading the above article it sound's like Redbull isn't a great environment to be in at the moment. I'm sure if that's the case then it will have a flow on effect to the junior team, but atleast LL will be 1 step removed from it. And both junior cars seem to be preforming well. -
@WestieFella said in Formula 1:
Being demoted could be a great career move for Liam. Especially if he starts outperforming yuki.
Reading the above article it sound's like Redbull isn't a great environment to be in at the moment. I'm sure if that's the case then it will have a flow on effect to the junior team, but atleast LL will be 1 step removed from it. And both junior cars seem to be preforming well.If the demotion happens, I think it will be a weight off LL. He can have the freedom to drive a more user friendly car and show what he is capable of. If Yuki is good enough to tame the RB then good on him. But I suspect he will struggle also, because there are systemic problems with RB21.
