Formula 1
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@Canes4life said in Formula 1:
Take off the eye patches people. A gap this size between two drivers isn't acceptable, and isn't entirely down to the car. Either the pressure is getting to Lawson or he's found his ceiling (plenty of other drivers have made it to a top team and been found out).
I hope it is just the pressure and he gets a bit more time to figure it out, but red bull are pretty ruthless. It's a shame checo cost them the constructors championship last year, I think that will make them must less patient than they would otherwise have been.
You can't ignore the trend that all drivers that have jumped into that second seat at Red Bull have struggled. Something tells me it's not just the driver, but yes, Lawson needs to be better. Will he get that chance? Maybe, maybe not.
I know with a reasonable degree of certainty, that it is most certainly a lot to do with the car
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Not sure this site is that reliable, but here we go. Interesting on Max's thoughts if true.
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Being demoted could be a great career move for Liam. Especially if he starts outperforming yuki.
Reading the above article it sound's like Redbull isn't a great environment to be in at the moment. I'm sure if that's the case then it will have a flow on effect to the junior team, but atleast LL will be 1 step removed from it. And both junior cars seem to be preforming well. -
@WestieFella said in Formula 1:
Being demoted could be a great career move for Liam. Especially if he starts outperforming yuki.
Reading the above article it sound's like Redbull isn't a great environment to be in at the moment. I'm sure if that's the case then it will have a flow on effect to the junior team, but atleast LL will be 1 step removed from it. And both junior cars seem to be preforming well.If the demotion happens, I think it will be a weight off LL. He can have the freedom to drive a more user friendly car and show what he is capable of. If Yuki is good enough to tame the RB then good on him. But I suspect he will struggle also, because there are systemic problems with RB21.
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Lots of guessing going on in the media at the moment. Rumour here/there everywhere!
The only things we know is that Max is able to get some decent performance out of the car and Lawson isn't. Max will complain about the car being poor if he's not winning races - that is what he is used to & is what can be expected from him. Regardless, Lawson shouldn't be at the back of the pack with a car that somebody else can push for podium's in. He should still be top 10, and able to pass the lesser teams when starting at the back of the pack. Thats on him, and no criticism of the car can change that. All the drivers in before him were able to at least be semi-competitive.
Horner seems to be sympathetic in the media, but I'd trust him on that as far as I can throw him.
Liam has proven himself multiple times to be worthy of a seat in the top echelon of the sport, but perhaps his ceiling is similar to that of Hulkenberg. Time will tell.
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From Stuff - From a Dutch paper - with alledged 'multiple sources'. Bloody harsh on Liam, cuthroat, but that's what you are involved in at that level. Luckily for him RB have a junior team, otherwise he'd just be out
The article in De Telegraaf stated that “a top meeting of Red Bull’’ took place in Dubai, where the Thai major shareholder Chalerm Yoovidhya lives. Engine supplier Honda was reported to have been involved in the deal. The Japanese manufacturer supports Tsunoda (24), also in financial terms. De Telegraaf said several sources had confirmed Lawson had been demoted.This followed earlier reports by another Dutch newspaper, De Limburger.
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@Machpants said in Formula 1:
From Stuff - From a Dutch paper - with alledged 'multiple sources'. Bloody harsh on Liam, cuthroat, but that's what you are involved in at that level. Luckily for him RB have a junior team, otherwise he'd just be out
The article in De Telegraaf stated that “a top meeting of Red Bull’’ took place in Dubai, where the Thai major shareholder Chalerm Yoovidhya lives. Engine supplier Honda was reported to have been involved in the deal. The Japanese manufacturer supports Tsunoda (24), also in financial terms. De Telegraaf said several sources had confirmed Lawson had been demoted.This followed earlier reports by another Dutch newspaper, De Limburger.
Red Bull is expected to make the news official later this week.Probably a good move for him. He can race a more forgiving car and hopefully show his stuff with less pressure. Big pressure on Yuki, or whoever they promote to do the business. Of course if that coincides with a major rejig of the car over the next 10 days to make it much more forgiving that would be hugely unfair
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@barbarian said in Formula 1:
Ultimately Red Bull made a mess of the transition, as they did with Albon before it. You wonder if Horner may not be the genius he thinks, and rather is continually saved by Max being a generational talent.
Probably a bit of both. Lawson would have been better served having a full season in the Racing Bulls team, the jump to RB was always going to be tough
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@Machpants said in Formula 1:
From Stuff - From a Dutch paper - with alledged 'multiple sources'. Bloody harsh on Liam, cuthroat, but that's what you are involved in at that level. Luckily for him RB have a junior team, otherwise he'd just be out
The article in De Telegraaf stated that “a top meeting of Red Bull’’ took place in Dubai, where the Thai major shareholder Chalerm Yoovidhya lives. Engine supplier Honda was reported to have been involved in the deal. The Japanese manufacturer supports Tsunoda (24), also in financial terms. De Telegraaf said several sources had confirmed Lawson had been demoted.This followed earlier reports by another Dutch newspaper, De Limburger.
Red Bull is expected to make the news official later this week.Probably a good move for him. He can race a more forgiving car and hopefully show his stuff with less pressure. Big pressure on Yuki, or whoever they promote to do the business. Of course if that coincides with a major rejig of the car over the next 10 days to make it much more forgiving that would be hugely unfair
Hard to know if this is a fait accompli because of media pressure or regurgitation of one well placed rumour.
Ultimately Red Bull may be best served letting Lawson do one more race. At least that way they can rule out unfamiliarity with the track as a contributing factor.
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@antipodean said in Formula 1:
@Machpants said in Formula 1:
From Stuff - From a Dutch paper - with alledged 'multiple sources'. Bloody harsh on Liam, cuthroat, but that's what you are involved in at that level. Luckily for him RB have a junior team, otherwise he'd just be out
The article in De Telegraaf stated that “a top meeting of Red Bull’’ took place in Dubai, where the Thai major shareholder Chalerm Yoovidhya lives. Engine supplier Honda was reported to have been involved in the deal. The Japanese manufacturer supports Tsunoda (24), also in financial terms. De Telegraaf said several sources had confirmed Lawson had been demoted.This followed earlier reports by another Dutch newspaper, De Limburger.
Red Bull is expected to make the news official later this week.Probably a good move for him. He can race a more forgiving car and hopefully show his stuff with less pressure. Big pressure on Yuki, or whoever they promote to do the business. Of course if that coincides with a major rejig of the car over the next 10 days to make it much more forgiving that would be hugely unfair
Hard to know if this is a fait accompli because of media pressure or regurgitation of one well placed rumour.
Ultimately Red Bull may be best served letting Lawson do one more race. At least that way they can rule out unfamiliarity with the track as a contributing factor.
Agree with that 100% Especially after the chassis mods and the likelihood of more to come before Suzuka
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Red Bull drop Liam Lawson and bring in Yuki Tsunoda as replacement
New Zealander to be demoted to Racing Bulls team for Japan GP after disappointing start to season
Looking like it’s done.
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@MajorRage said in Formula 1:
Red Bull drop Liam Lawson and bring in Yuki Tsunoda as replacement
New Zealander to be demoted to Racing Bulls team for Japan GP after disappointing start to season
Looking like it’s done.
Japan is going to be fascinating
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I am gutted for Liam.
I have no ill will for Yuki.... but.....
Damn I hope he has an abomination of a weekend and Liam nails it in the "junior" car
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@Davesofthunder said in Formula 1:
I am gutted for Liam.
I have no ill will for Yuki.... but.....
Damn I hope he has an abomination of a weekend and Liam nails it in the "junior" car
I don't care what happens to Yuki. But I'd like to see Liam have a great quali and get into the points
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@canefan It seems the car is a dog in many ways and Max has years of experience working with it and some sublime skills as a special talent above the rest.
I guess the reason I would like to see Yuki struggle is just so it shows the car might be a big part of the problem.
Felt weird how little time Liam got in the car over the break. Yuki got some testing at the beginning as I recall and then I remember on one of the team days they basically exclusively ran Max and Liam missed loads of time.
Just feels a shame but fingers crossed for Liam
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@Davesofthunder said in Formula 1:
@canefan It seems the car is a dog in many ways and Max has years of experience working with it and some sublime skills as a special talent above the rest.
I guess the reason I would like to see Yuki struggle is just so it shows the car might be a big part of the problem.
Felt weird how little time Liam got in the car over the break. Yuki got some testing at the beginning as I recall and then I remember on one of the team days they basically exclusively ran Max and Liam missed loads of time.
Just feels a shame but fingers crossed for Liam
If they make major mods to the car before Yuki drives it that will create an unfair comparison. But RB will do what they want to suit themselves. There is no doubt the car is a big part of the problem. An interview with Alex Albon was very illuminating. Basically he said it's like playing video games with the sensitivity wound right up to the max (no pun intended)
