All Blacks 2022
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
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If we adjust for the games that NZ won they'd have a ZERO percent winning record.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
No. Sorry. I've read this post multiple times and it's still not making sense. Please explain?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
The Italy game didn't happen because of the Typhoon so was technically a 0-0 draw.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
The Italy game didn't happen because of the Typhoon so was technically a 0-0 draw.
Italy not top 10
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Amazing. Nobody has won more matches against top 10 nations than us. Next we will told that AB's are scoring more points than anyone else and that Fozzie has more records, leading AB's to their quickest and largest rises in World Rugby Rankings.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
The Italy game didn't happen because of the Typhoon so was technically a 0-0 draw.
No it wasn't, the score in the RWC pool points used that, technically the game was cancelled, administratively that score was used instead of the game result
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
The Italy game didn't happen because of the Typhoon so was technically a 0-0 draw.
So we are going to downgrade our record because of a technicality and acts of nature now? Every game we played in 2019 pool play we won, including the one against the eventual champions. Good enough for me
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 as I recall it, BB buggered off on his sabbatical and then went to play musical chairs at the blues. Nothing to do with goal kicking.
Do the stats really show RM is better than DM at goal kicking?
Well prior to his sabbatical he was the starting first 5 and incumbent goalkicker for the All Blacks, not to mention world player of the year.
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Its not a matter of selecting him or not, but the above is a noticeable (and for me a sad) decline from "then" to "now".
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@booboo just saying the criteria make Japan look far worse than if RWC included. I am interested in the strength of the home factor
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo just saying the criteria make Japan look far worse than if RWC included. I am interested in the strength of the home factor
Ok. Almost makes some sense now.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Their hardly going to change the kicker just because he comes back. Kicking is typically about consistency, might as well use the guy who's able to achieve that.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo just saying the criteria make Japan look far worse than if RWC included. I am interested in the strength of the home factor
Ok. Almost makes some sense now.
Almost? My point is simple, the cutoff seems arbitrary.
Why count games from the last RWC but not the last RWC?
And if we include the last RWC (as I think we should as it is the most important way to gauge the international teams, arguably) the story would be really different from the below and show Japan does not deserve to be 10 out of 10.
Edit even if 10th the game % would show they are not hopeless
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Their hardly going to change the kicker just because he comes back. Kicking is typically about consistency, might as well use the guy who's able to achieve that.
I'm not saying who should or shouldn't kick goals, or who should or shouldn't be in the team, all I'm trying to say is that his decline from being our first choice #10 and goal kicker to an almost bit player now is, in my mind - sad.
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@Windows97 BB's situation isn't as sad as the fate of players who get overtaken and drop out of the squad entirely. He is still there and can slot in at 10 and 15 when required, which is fortunate because of the lack of depth (particularly at 10).
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Their hardly going to change the kicker just because he comes back. Kicking is typically about consistency, might as well use the guy who's able to achieve that.
I'm not saying who should or shouldn't kick goals, or who should or shouldn't be in the team, all I'm trying to say is that his decline from being our first choice #10 and goal kicker to an almost bit player now is, in my mind - sad.
He's the starting 15. Not sure I should feel sad for an All Black in the top XV.
