All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
We have had bad years in the recent past, but this is somewhat different from them.
Usually bad years came about when we had just had a few older players retire, or we were trying new tactics. Sometimes when we tried to get too clever with "rotation". But it is a long time since we were beaten in consecutive games quite so convincingly by NH opposition. A very long time.
We had a bad year in 1998. It appeared to get better, then it didn't. And the coach took almost all the blame (anyone remember the "Guilty"cover of NZ Rugby World?)
The whole world knows how to beat us now (except Australia). And our coaches have no idea what to do.
New tactics would have been good. Even if we lost, trying new things would have been a tiny mercy.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 all Duluth. It’s a great area of the site.
It really is. I wish we (you) could work out a way to steal stats from the other sites, so we could have them here for the inevitable shitfights.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
it may surprise all on here but I am not a fan of our coaching tactics. But I don't think we should get personally nasty.
I still think our players are better than the way they played this season or the results, but we don't have the players of yore and the competition has got better. We just have to live with it and probably another poor 2 years.The really frustrating thing is that in parts tonite - 40-60 mins - they were great. But once things started to go wrong, so many players seemed to fall apart and they weren't the newer players either.
Discipline when they have momentum with them is really fragile which makes me wonder if there's a team mentality issue.
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@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.
They play in a league designed to help weak teams (draft order particularly, salary pricing, no relegation). International rugby is very different.
About the only way they are similar is that both sets have protected home areas.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Good idea. I'll add that in the next day or two
I love how we can see the teamsheets at any time, and from old AB games. Stat geeks like me love that we can see that stuff here as my memory is terrible at the best of times. Thanks for all these improvements.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
True
Trying to be as hopeful as possible - maybe that 20mins is similar to the 1994 Bledisloe match. A shit AB coach stumbles on the correct tactics for the current players
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Haven’t seen the test and or read the thread, but congrats to France.
Tough year for the ABs. I look forward to 2022.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Discipline when they have momentum with them is really fragile which makes me wonder if there's a team mentality issue.
Wonder? I think it's pretty certain.
The issue is why.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
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Anyone know which NH team(s) is touring NZ in July 2022?
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Haven’t seen the test and or read the thread, but congrats to France.
Tough year for the ABs. I look forward to 2022.
That's brave of you!
I shall be watching through the gaps in my fingers, like an 8 year old with a scary movie.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
One nice thing about the review would be if they highlight the sliding doors part of that. If Mo'unga and Jordie make a 1% improvement in their chase there, that change probably doesn't happen.
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@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
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I still think our players are good enough, I don't believe all of them have dropped thier bundle that quick.
But we are not getting the best out of them, we are playing people out of position, playing people before they are ready to come back.
Anyone who's played rugby knows there is no substitute for game fitness, and yet we roll these guys in expecting miracles.
This all sits with the coaching team.
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@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
That is ugly, but the same thing (lots of easy tests) could arguably be leveled against others, which is why I used the total.
