All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@majorrage
You either want Foster gone or embrace failure.This Star Wars, “you’re either with me or against me”, talk is really really funny.
It's so funny! Look at all these chicken littles since 2015! Always saying that we're in decline and lack physical forwards! They even think Ireland are a threat! But we just keep on winning all the time so of course we appoint the same coaches and play the same tactics! HA HA HA HA HA All these panicking fools! I'm above it all!
It is hilarious because it’s not absolute.
Some of the tactics looked really good others poor. Some of our play was effective and we got in behind the Irish defence and other not. So when we were getting go forward we’re the Irish tactics absolutely crap too? There are things we are lacking abut that isn’t unexpected
We're lacking a pact! Somebody reach out to the Boks!
and a coach
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@tim let’s not lower ourselves to bad mouth the Highlanders now! Haha
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Quote from Foster before the Ireland game
“ “We’ve had two blocks of five tests in a row. The last block we finished with two tests against South Africa and now we finish this block with Ireland and [France],” added Foster. “We’ve been able to plan around that. Am I excited about our preparedness? Yeah I am.”
I hate to see when you think we are under prepared Mr Foster.
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@98blueandgold They do a better job with a limited roster!
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Also of concern is we didn’t use 2 (Vaa’i and Halfback) from reserves? Always been a strength of ours but show lack of depth or trust? Also got me thinking watching Reece’s bad outing is how Caleb Clarke’s decision to play sevens backfired on him - and ABs. A back three of JB, CB and WJ pretty powerful, although I know there are lots of other issues.
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@98blueandgold said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Also of concern is we didn’t use 2 (Vaa’i and Halfback) from reserves? Always been a strength of ours but show lack of depth or trust? Also got me thinking watching Reece’s bad outing is how Caleb Clarke’s decision to play sevens backfired on him - and ABs. A back three of JB, CB and WJ pretty powerful, although I know there are lots of other issues.
yes if Clarke was back in form but he is also pretty green at international level.
I don't think the main problem is at wing though. Reece has a high workrate and pushes it so he can make mistakes. But we consistently let a strong opposition play to our weaknesses and their strengths in the forwards, midfield is a mess, kicks out of hand are so so, our line out is getting worse and some basic skills are slipping. -
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Or the players just aren't there? The player pool at 9 isn't exactly overflowing and that's not down to Foster
Except it is. Robertson can win Super Trophies with Drummond -- who isn't even in the reckoning for the ABs. Brad Weber can play some amazing rugby, with the right game plan. (I loathe TJP with a passion, and can't way to see the back of him, but that's more about what a tool he is as a person.)
Robertson's hardly a lone exception. We can all cite coaches who just seem to get the best out of players. And other coaches who turn gold into, um, not gold.
It's no good saying that NZ isn't producing the quality of players we used to, when our Super and provincial teams are streaks ahead of everyone else. And when our rejects are starting players for other countries.
Our game plan seems to be, kick it as soon as you get it except in their 22, and hope to score from individual brilliance. It's a shit plan, and it deserves what it got last night. It isn't like Beauden was carving up when he was on, he kicked it even more than Mo'unga. It has to be the plan, not the players.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
How about we all give credit to a very bloody great performance by the Irish! They were great, that was a bloody great test, and we were beaten by a better team. I obviously am a little disappointed but not going to go into depression!
I think test rugby is alive and well after seeing games like this!100% agree, but for the Fern the glass is always half empty - or completely empty in this case - and moaning about ABs players (or the coach) comes first. Ferners aren't good losers and become totally unreasonable.
You show me a good loser and I see a loser!
Show me a bad one and I'll show you someone who's not a sportsman or women. If sports was meant to be certain I wouldn't bother!
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Combinations brings cohesion. Ireland played like a team that have played lots of times together. Today, they raised their Leinster levels up.
We used to be able to roll out teams with ten players rotated from the week before and play as if they were established. We did that for a decade.
I don't think it is the lack of combinations. I think it is that the players don't know what they are doing, or what they are doing is ineffective, and then the fact that they haven't played together in those positions makes it worse.
Before the game the Fern was happy that the team selected wasn't too bad. Now we say that it is the players?
It's pretty obviously the coaching and game plan. Chopping players around in positions is the coach, not the players.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Also, NH rugby has really lifted since 2015. They had to get better and they did. Players are now coming back from NH with enhanced skills, fitness and physicality. Super and RC are no longer the dominant premier competitions. IT's a real worry for me - that's the long term success right there; not just the current situation.
Anything to do with the quality of Southern Hemisphere coaches plying their trade up north?
It was only a few years ago we were ridiculing the Six Nations as a sub-standard competition but I think it may have even overtaken the Rugby Championship now as a spectacle
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While NZ sides by and large play the same style of footy, I mean for years our front row was only reading from the Cron book of scrummaging.
But I think the Crusaders have largely tried to play thier own way (more often good than bad) and often get criticised for it, but they play to win...kiwi fans have been lead down the path that winning ugly ain't the best way to win.
Hopefully Schmidt with his NH experience will give the blues another dimension, given it is a team chock full of runners, if they can get thier pack humming they could be awesome.
Is Gats back this year, to focus on the Chiefs now? He doesn't become a shit coach, but he needs to be involved, hands on not by zoom...zoom meetings suck.
So right now things are pretty shit, but hopefully the clouds look to be parting slightly and a glimmer of blue sky creeping through for super rugby to be a bit more of a breeding ground...then these good players end up in black aaaanndd...
We used to own the final quarter, even when behind we more often came back, now our bench is more often than not a big step down, less cohesion, no impact, full disruption.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Ireland played like a Schmidt-coached and drilled team to my ignorant eyes but with more steel in the attack and defense. Is that also the opinion of the Irish fans?
IMO Farrell is an excellent defense coach. Which is a bit surprising given how his son tackles.No. They stopped playing the Schmidt way at the end of the last 6 nations against England. Farrell tore up the Schmidt script and got them playing with pace and moving the ball more.
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@profitius said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Ireland played like a Schmidt-coached and drilled team to my ignorant eyes but with more steel in the attack and defense. Is that also the opinion of the Irish fans?
IMO Farrell is an excellent defense coach. Which is a bit surprising given how his son tackles.No. They stopped playing the Schmidt way at the end of the last 6 nations against England. Farrell tore up the Schmidt script and got them playing with pace and moving the ball more.
the fundamentals are still there. Great tackle/ruck technique, rush defence, structure. It's impressive.
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@yeetyaah said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Is there a sport that includes just throwing your arms up all the time? Irish would be great at it.
It's called the "Mexican Wave.... at World Cup Semi-Finals".
Edit: shit - just finished watching the game, and realise the above might look like "sour grapes".
Assuredly - not so - that was written when I still thought we might win that.
As to the result - well done Ireland... throroughly deserved, definitely the better team.
Except Johnny Sexwithoutcock - fuck him. What a fluffybunny. Or, should I say, "He's a bit of a mouthy fluffybunny, isn't he?".
I liked the ref telling the waterboys and what-not to get the fuck off the field near the end, as well as (usually) telling Sexless to shut-the-fuck-up. But - not always, and without any teeth to backup the bark.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Not sure either Whitelock or Retallick are going to be first-choice by the time of the next RWC.
not so sure.
Both coming back from offseasons; Retallick in particular I back ot get back to fitness. Super next year should be interesting to see who really gets galvanised by this.
in some ways, this is the post-nut clarity of losing so many legends in 2015. The dropoff has been massive
It’s been too slow - we needed this to happen sooner so that it was only one World Cup that got written off. The re build won’t happen until 2024 now
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@rancid-schnitzel that’s why they need forwards running off the rucks for about 5 minutes (hyperbole) until we make inroads then the 1st five can have the ball.
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We've been here many times before. AB teams that were great with ball in hand against lightweight opposition who folded when presented with a physical committed opponent. We need to get harder, more direct before we spin it wide. Time for a little ugly ball again
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@no-quarter I agree but the problem is there’s were a couple times when he came on he seem to be alone and was isolated. Not his problem but I think our ineffectual pack does not know how to graft around the rucks. I would have picked him.
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