Hurricanes 2022
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@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@Crucial you mean Peter Umaga-Jensen? He's trucking nicely thank you very much. He's been pretty dominant for Wellington this year (and last year for that matter). Already been capped by the All Blacks and will be looking for a big year at 12 (unless Holland decides to leave him out again). Cam Roigard, well he's injured but I'm looking forward to seeing what he has when he makes his return down the track. Devan Flanders, expect him to be an AB in the next World Cup cycle. Ardie Savea, well the man speaks for himself. Oh, and Jordie Barrett, he just saved our blushes against South Africa didn't he?
Not sure what you're getting at?
Brought this discussion over from the Pacifica thread.
When PUJ and TUJ were at school you were touting them as storming onto the scene and quickly becoming superstars. Both good players still with potential to reach high levels (and maybe stay there this time) but haven't exactly set the world on fire
We saw a very brief flash of what could be from TUJ before injury and, as you say, PUJ's candle flared for a moment then he couldn't even make Super level as a must pick. You can blame the coach all you like but an awesome player will demand selection.Roigard. Yep, looked like he had some goods that could result in higher honours but hardly screaming out as 'one to watch'.
Flanders? I think Super may be his ceiling. He doesn't stand out as having any more than the plethora of (very talented) competition.
Ardie? I think you may find that it was @Higgins and I that were discussing him as 'better than Jules' when he was still at school.
Jordie? Glad you saw his potential from that family of unknown grafters.
We all see players that are worth keeping an eye on. Just saying that it doesn't always translate to 'star'. Those guys really do stand out. Love isn't one of them. He does look like he has skills and a good head on him which could carry him a long way though.
A good example of someone who really did trick everyone, including the ABs, is Fifita. Phenomenal at Club, did amazing things at Provincial, looked like he could bring them to Super, then went backwards. I have no idea what really happened there but it seemed that he struggled with the transitions and couldn't work out why what worked at one level couldnt work at another.
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@crucial I remember touting both of them as being future stars of our game (super star is probably a little too far). They are both only 23 or something so they've got plenty of time to prove me right. It hasn't helped that TUJ has spent almost his whole career watching from the sidelines. Hopefully he can catch a break in 2022.
I think 2022 is also a make or break year for PUJ, he's carving up the metres in the NPC at the moment and will be keen to grab that 12 jersey for the Hurricanes. We are crying out for a bigger 12 at test level and I think one of the UJ brother's can stake claim to that jersey eventually if they produce the goods at Super.
You're 100%, at the end of the day it's crystal ball gazing, some players over achieve and others fail to reach the lofty heights that some of us expect.
I've been right plenty of times, but I've also been wrong on players aswell. That's just part and parcel of being a speculative fan.
I'm just glad my pay cheque doesn't rely on it.
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@crucial said in Hurricanes 2022:
When PUJ and TUJ were at school you were touting them as storming onto the scene and quickly becoming superstars. Both good players still with potential to reach high levels (and maybe stay there this time) but haven't exactly set the world on fire
We saw a very brief flash of what could be from TUJ before injury and, as you say, PUJ's candle flared for a moment then he couldn't even make Super level as a must pick. You can blame the coach all you like but an awesome player will demand selection.Don't want to get into a debate on Canes selection but
a. I don't recall anyone saying awesome and
b. "awesome" is an awfully high selection criterion, even for the Canes.
c. PUJ played for the ABs and looked comfortable. It is not like NZ is crawling with good midfielders, let alone having players that "set the world on fire" (strange that international arson is now the selection criteria, I'd be happy for a stable midfield).
e. oh and Christian Cullen says hi.https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/123003336/all-blacks-vs-wallabies-beaming-peter-umagajensen-follows-uncle-tanas-bootmarks-into-camp
Foster continued: “In the second part of Super Rugby Aotearoa he had a massive desire to play. He was strong with ball in hand and ran some great lines and he beat some very good defenders. Jack [Goodhue] and Alby [Lienert-Brown] both found him quite a handful with some of the lines he ran.“We’ve seen a real attitude with his work rate and he’s grown in his defence. He’s a young guy who had a lot of potential when he came out of school then probably plateaued a little bit.
“He’s now learning what it is to work hard and be a little bit more professional off the park. The Hurricanes have done a great job in that space and what we saw when he got the opportunity is someone who is ready to go. That’s the kind of energy we want him to bring in here.”
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@canes4life said in Hurricanes 2022:
@mikey07 good chance we will sign Howden, he trained a lot with the Hurricanes last year as part of their Under 20s group.
Believe it when I see it
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@canes4life yeah almost bet your house on it
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@mikey07 Josiah Maraku should be on the Canes midfield radar unless MP (or the Blues) beat them to him. He trained all season in the Blues wtg and has looked quick and strong for Manawatu. Only 20 but plenty of promise.
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@daffy-jaffy Unfortunately he’d be in same boat as Toala as in get only one game a year but yeah I’d definitely like to see him sign with the Canes
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@stargazer said in Hurricanes 2022:
@mikey07 Plenty of green ex-schoolboys without NPC experience in the Wellington region.
Probably Riley Higgins and Someone Else.
But to be serious, hooker is probably the most predictable one. I expect them to sign O'Reilly.
You know for a fact like I do O’Reilly is getting that 3rd Hookers role…
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@stargazer I expect Riley to get a contract at some point in the future, along with Harry Godfrey but both of them are way too raw to get a contract yet.
Hopefully they both pick up training squad contracts.Lol they will probably sign someone like Brandyn Laursen instead. Who knows though, the Canes didn’t sign T Umaga-Jensen and he was seen as a better 2nd five at school than his bro, instead they gave a 5 year contract to B Proctor which made no sense whatsoever.
There was also Connor Garden-Bachop who was another Wellington school player lighting it up back then but he’s now with the Highlanders.
Taine Plumtree is another Wellington school player that didn’t pick up a contract and now he’s with the Blues.
I’ve given up on trying to guess Hurricane signings these days, they hardly ever pick the players that should obviously be selected.
Just pathetic recruiting at the end of the day.
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It doesn't really matter who they pick, to be honest. The players who make the starting lineup will be the same old stale players that always do. The odd time that a youngster gets selected (following an injury) and shines, they'll chuck him straight back into the Bs team till he gets sick of being neglected, and will sign for another team.
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@bobily2 even worse is when they consistently perform at Super Rugby, they crack the All Blacks and then all of sudden they get shunned to the bench for no apparent reason.
I agree, Holland has his favourites and no matter how good other players play, they will never get a proper crack because of that favouritism he has for the likes of Prinsep, Blackwell and Proctor etc.
That, along with the fact that we haven’t really heard much from the CEO since he fumbled Beaudy’s contract a few years ago (apart from the odd false promise) and you have yourself a pretty disappointing CEO/Coaching combo.
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I was surprised the Blues were able to retain Plummer and Perofeta with Barrett back for them this year.
Was hoping the Canes would be able to convince one of them down our ways. Particularly Perofeta being a Wanganui boy.
I just hope Love is our starting 1st five. Don't think I can cope with another season of JGB lol.
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@yeetyaah said in Hurricanes 2022:
@foobanz be prepared to not cope. I can't see the coaches getting over their hardon for JGB. At least Love is a Wellington player so there might be a small chance that he starts one game against a weaker opponent.
JGB on form is not that bad is he. He will never be an AB contender but Love was clearly not ready last year
