Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November
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@No-Quarter I don’t think he’s a test 15 yet.
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@Winger said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Clarke looked a super star in his first game but not close to that level since
Almost as if Clarke was doing the job of two wingers and a centre because we were missing other options?
Admittedly there were those two or three high balls that Jordie competed for over 6 games where his height really made a difference. And his long range goal kicking - wouldn't want to forget that. There's probably other talents of Jordies that I've missed as he's never actually showed them in an AB jersey.
In comparison, Will Jordan displayed something in a matter of minutes. Certainly enough to drop Jordie to the bench and start Jordan over him to see.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter I don’t think he’s a test 15 yet.
Who knows? He dominated the level down and hasn't been given a chance.
Same as Jordan. The selections this year have been absurd.
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@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter I don’t think he’s a test 15 yet.
Who knows? He dominated the level down and hasn't been given a chance.
Same as Jordan. The selections this year have been absurd.
He has been given a chance. He’s started 7 tests at fullback and filled in a few more. I think there’s things he still has to develop in his game.
And I know Fozzie isn’t flavour of the month but I don’t think this years selections in a compressed test schedule have been any more “absurd” than what we have seen in previous years under other coaches.
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@No-Quarter Looking at the stats i wouldnt call what Jordie did anything close to 'dominated'.
Will Jordan on the other hand 'dominated' super rugby this year.
Super Rugby Aotearoa 2020 Stats
Carries
Will Jordan - 88
Jordie Barrett - 83Clean breaks
Will Jordan - 1st in competition with 15,
Jordie is not in the top 10Defenders beaten
Will Jordan - 1st in competition with 39
Jordie - 6th with 22Metres made
Will Jordan - 1st in competition with 724
Jordie is not in the top 10Offloads
Will Jordan - 2nd in the competition with 9
Jordie is not in the top 10Tries
Will Jordan - 1st in the competition with 6
Jordie is not in the top 10 -
@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter I don’t think he’s a test 15 yet.
Yeah okay Fozzie.
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@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Winger You mean the tight game that Jordan blew up to 38-0 when he came on?
You realise he scored 2 tries and set up the 3rd to make it 38-0 right? You know he didnt come in 80th minute right?Yeah it was really fucking nail-biting stuff at 17-0, 70% possession, 80% territory and Argentina having made nearly four times as many tackles as us. So surprised that our bench players made an impact given how tight it was.
Jordan did make those tries out of nothing. He wasn't helped to some cushy tries by his team mates.
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@nostrildamus Marino Mikaele-Tu'u (highlanders).
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Can I also add, regards Akira, that last week Matera was seen as the world's leading 6, perhaps even loose forward. I had to check he was playing this game.
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@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Winger You mean the tight game that Jordan blew up to 38-0 when he came on?
You realise he scored 2 tries and set up the 3rd to make it 38-0 right? You know he didnt come in 80th minute right?Yeah it was really fucking nail-biting stuff at 17-0, 70% possession, 80% territory and Argentina having made nearly four times as many tackles as us. So surprised that our bench players made an impact given how tight it was.
Jordan did make those tries out of nothing. He wasn't helped to some cushy tries by his team mates.
He was helped by some poor play by the Argies. Maybe he just had luck. Or maybe he can do this for a full game. Lets see. Richie was going to set the world on fire but the next level up hes been found out. And some players are brilliant in a dominating team (its a mistake that some make. Comparing one player in a champion team to another in a very average team) at one level but at the next level up esp if a team is struggling they are found out
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@Stargazer said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter The BB/Dmac combo was worse.
At least we had a much better 10 and 15 back then
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Congratulations the ABs came back.
As was to be expected:
• Win built on forward dominance (almost walkover)
• Had plan to go round the rock-solid mid-field defense - by kicking over and to the wings
• AB hookers were badly behaved
• Given half a chance, WJ will find his way to the line
• Akira did justice to the 6 jersey
• Argentina folded under the pressureWhat was not expected:
• Save for a few just-outside the 22 bombs, kicks were just a waste of ball
• Backline failed to spark
• SB was impressiveSummary. "Just pick one" would have had Beauden on with Ritchie having an off day - important in close games when an extra spark is needed (remember Chicago). Most of the time the ABs are still the team to beat BUT they have developed a worrying (for their supporters) tendency to go off the boil, and when they do they are far less formidable than they have been in the recent past.
Hope [at least (dream)] one of the games to be arranged before the Lions will be Boks v ABs.
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@kpkanz we're sort of arguing across each other a bit here. I've been calling for Jordan to start from the beginning of the season and have never once claimed Jordie is a better ball runner than him, which is all those stats show. The guy is all class and it's crazy he's only been given a handful of minutes to date.
At test level I'd have some concerns with him at 15, particularly his one-on-one tackling, but on the wing his talents can really shine. Clarke - Jordie - Jordan seemed pretty obvious to me after SR but instead we got Bridge and Jordie in a position that clearly does not suit his skill set.
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It is fair enough to test Jordan at wing before playing him at 15, esp against teams with dangerous runners. But on the evidence so far he deserves the wing spot more than Jordie.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter I don’t think he’s a test 15 yet.
Who knows? He dominated the level down and hasn't been given a chance.
Same as Jordan. The selections this year have been absurd.
He has been given a chance. He’s started 7 tests at fullback and filled in a few more. I think there’s things he still has to develop in his game.
And I know Fozzie isn’t flavour of the month but I don’t think this years selections in a compressed test schedule have been any more “absurd” than what we have seen in previous years under other coaches.
Sorry mate but I disagree with everything you've said there. Foster selections have been completely uninspiring and there's no excuse for either playing our best players out of position or not at all regardless of the structure of the season. It's been a shit show that culminated in our first ever loss to Argentina when they were ranked fucking 10th in the world.
Jordie has played well at 15 for the ABs in the past, and was then not given a chance there after his best ever season in that position in SR. It's utterly brainless shit from the selectors.
And to be clear, I'm not claiming Jordie will be the second coming of Jesus at 15, I'm just saying to not even play him in his best position, and further to that play him on the wing ahead of others where blind fucking freddie knows he'll struggle, is absolutely absurd.
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@antipodean exactly all these decisions are doing is giving players carte blanche to spoil. I mean the Argue player was preventing the ABs from taking a quick tap, an action which is penalisable even a yellow at times
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