Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo - for reference, this is the absolute last time I try to explain someone else's refereeing decision on this forum. I hope you found my efforts somewhat enlightening. As I said, I probably wouldn't penalise that decision (in isolation at least), but I think a lot of refs in that situation would.
For the rest of you lining up to have a shot: maybe go have a lie down and a glass of chardonnay because I think your period is coming on. I'm sure you have ex-husbands to bitch about once you're finished with AFG and my little post above.
Are you complaining about having a discussion on a discussion forum?
I'm weary of explaining context to children. EDIT: actually that is probably an insult to children.
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA fucken cry!
Said the lead sook having a piss and moan about one decision four days on. I'd expect that from Wallabies fans or even Irish fans on here - if there were any in this little east islands circle jerk - but not The Custodians Of The Game.
Go do a ref's course if you haven't already and get yourself certified if you want to do something about it. Otherwise: STFU and get on with your loser team.
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On the subject of Angus, quite apart from the Jordie penalty, which was marginal, there were two mistaken scrum penalties, one of which led to 3 points, the slap reversal and the Whitelock maul penalty at end and which also led to 3 points. That's quite a few dodgy calls.
Notwithstanding that, had Abs taken their opportunites, none of that would have mattered.
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@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo - for reference, this is the absolute last time I try to explain someone else's refereeing decision on this forum. I hope you found my efforts somewhat enlightening. As I said, I probably wouldn't penalise that decision (in isolation at least), but I think a lot of refs in that situation would (EDIT) given the context of the game.
For the rest of you lining up to have a shot: maybe go have a lie down and a glass of chardonnay because I think your period is coming on. I'm sure you have ex-husbands to bitch about once you're finished with AFG and my little post above.
Appreciate the effort Nick.
Unfortunately I threw a bit of a hospital pass huh?
I think I left you in the position of having to defend the indefensible by reading someone else's mind.
Again, to me it was the most obvious example of Angus having been games by the Argies.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@canefan true, but you don't think something is slightly lacking with him this year?
Yeah being played at both 10 and 15 has fucked him over after a long break. One position, consistently, I reckon he would have been back to his best. Playing two positions in two teams, one which he was brand new to, the other which he gets the shit half back and/or a forward pack on cruise control, means he’s not really had a chance.
Not saying he would be our saviour, just that he hasn’t the chance to be.
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
On the subject of Angus, quite apart from the Jordie penalty, which was marginal, there were two mistaken scrum penalties, one of which led to 3 points, the slap reversal and the Whitelock maul penalty at end and which also led to 3 points. That's quite a few dodgy calls.
Notwithstanding that, had Abs taken their opportunites, none of that would have mattered.
As much as it pains me because I consider him not Test standard as a referee (hardly SR standard either), but retribution is seen as worse by almost every referee these days. So the reversal of the slap should be expected and a good way to enforce to teams not to take the law into their own hands, thus preventing a game from deteriorating into a series of brawls where rugby might eventually break out.
The problem of course is if refs ignore the provocation. Then that enables one side to constantly inflame the situation and the other to feel like they're being unfairly judged at every penalty whether deserved or not.
A better ref than Gardner would've looked for those niggles and penalised them early. He also wouldn't provide any sustenance to the theatrics of the soccer divers.
tl;dr he's a shit ref but you need to have a performance like Egon to have any chance of meaningful censure these days. So don't rise to the bait.
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@antipodean AFG being our best ref is yet another indication that rugby is up shit creek here, at the moment.
There are a couple of younger guys I've seen in Subbies and Premier footy here in Sydney who look the goods BUT it depends on how the politics play out.
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@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@antipodean AFG being our best ref is yet another indication that rugby is up shit creek here, at the moment.
There are a couple of younger guys I've seen in Subbies and Premier footy here in Sydney who look the goods BUT it depends on how the politics play out.
Whatever happened to Aussie Steve Walsh?
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@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@antipodean AFG being our best ref is yet another indication that rugby is up shit creek here, at the moment.
the quality of reffing has been poor for a long time in NZ and Aus. Fair play thouhg, the laws aren't easy to interpret
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@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
the laws aren't easy to interpret
think that is a major issue, so much interpretation.
But then when all 3 match officials miss such simple things like forward passes, knock ons, it's little wonder they get the big stuff wrong too.
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
On the subject of Angus, quite apart from the Jordie penalty, which was marginal, there were two mistaken scrum penalties, one of which led to 3 points, the slap reversal and the Whitelock maul penalty at end and which also led to 3 points. That's quite a few dodgy calls.
Notwithstanding that, had Abs taken their opportunites, none of that would have mattered.
I'm going to disagree on the Jordie penalty - he wasn't close enough to get the ball with his attempted charge so if he hit the kicker he was probably going to get penalised. Refs have been penalising this behaviour for years to cut down on late hits so its no real change. Jordie rolled the dice and lost. It was compounded by Frizell leaving his feet at a ruck which looked like a mistake and Coles slapping someone and then the ref giving the team a warning. All of that followed the ref warning the Argentine captain being penalised and warned for his actions. The difference was the Argentinian players actually stopped doing dumb things.
How many times has the opposite played out under Read or McCaw and their respective coaches? The AB's get warned for a penalty offence, don't do it again and the ref starts pulling up the opposition for the same thing. But we overlook that because it's the other teams problem.
This goes back to 2007 - if we hand the refs the chance to change the game, it might not play out the way we want.
Pretending that the issue is how the Argentine players fooled the ref or how the ref made his decisions ignores the fact that the element that the AB's could control was there discipline and they didn't.
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@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@antipodean AFG being our best ref is yet another indication that rugby is up shit creek here, at the moment.
There are a couple of younger guys I've seen in Subbies and Premier footy here in Sydney who look the goods BUT it depends on how the politics play out.
Whatever happened to Aussie Steve Walsh?
Rode off into the sunset at some point. Refs these days aren't going into their 40s too often and he's 48 now. Stopped back around 2014?
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@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Who?
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@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Who?
Players need a vision a decent game plan and faith in the people coaching them to buy into the coaching philosophy I don't see that.
Pick 36 more players under Foster same outcome IMO.
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@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Who?
Players need a vision a decent game plan and faith in the people coaching them to buy into the coaching philosophy I don't see that.
Pick 36 more players under Foster same outcome IMO.
Different issue though.
I don't see too many outside of those already in the squad standing out. The best players available (with one or two injury exceptions) are there.
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@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I don't see too many outside of those already in the squad standing out. The best players available (with one or two injury exceptions) are there.
Yep. Now we need to get them to perform, and I am covinced that they are good enough.
Aus have a draw and a win with a new coach against us. Wales have fallen off a cliff with a new coach and we aren't doing much better.
Ledesma could be considered new too I think, given how much they have actually played. Galthie is a new coach too, going bloody well.Pretty sure that I know where the problem is...
