Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@ACT-Crusader I think everyone goes through this. A point at which your opponents catch up or pass you, and you have to rebuild. Is it game plan or players or leadership. Foster has just started his coaching reign. The World Cup showed we had problems. Not every game but when a team gets it right. He may may do what is required - let’s see what happens by the end of the tournament.
You mean in the last game of the season against a team that we've been 95% sure of beating for the last 250 million years?
That's the game where we judge Fozzie's performance?
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@Derpus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Gunner meh. The message is clear as day. Contact with the head isnt on and they dont give a fuck why.
What are the NFL payouts at? 700m USD? Tell the flog not to headbutt fluffybunnies instead.
Huh?
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@MiketheSnow said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Still at least you know how it feels to be #WelshForADay
We blame Deans. You blame Pivac.
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@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@chimoaus I wouldn’t even say I’m a supporter. Just think they are trying things and still haven’t got it right.
Yep, the problem is even blind Freddy can see they haven't got it right, the question is how long you wait. I have no doubt Foster will take us through 2021 and he will be judged on those performances, so for his sake he better fix this sinking ship quick.
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In boxing they say styles make fights. The abs ran into a style that is just super awkward to play against.
Since at least 2012 the All Blacks have been a pain in the ass to play against cause you just know that they would score at least 2 tries out of fucken nothing, normally from turnover or an arsey kick. Today the pumas made almost no errors that the all blacks could capitalize on. The Pumas, unlike aus in the first three bled tests, really managed to put pressure on the All Black ruck ball.
I also felt that in the middle 40 the pumas showed more energy around the park. They were better in the ruck and when a ball fell free they made the 50-50 balls 80-20 to them.
The All Blacks have a good line out and maul, but their scrum looks like a weakness. They have a number of good second channel runners (Ardie, Sotutu, Coles) but needed Tuipoluto and the props to do more in close. Defence is fine, but never looked like getting turnovers. Kicking game is not the strength it has been (I thought the Puma full back was shakie and should have been tested more). Discipline was poor and dumb, summed up by Coles getting that penalty reversed after Gardner just warned both teams about that shit.
Also to add, it's not clear who the superstars additions are going to be in this WC cycle. Clarke was spectacular on debut, but nothing yet since. Sotutu looks very promising and Jordan was great in SRA. Ideally you'd want a couple more stepping up to replace B Smith, SBW and Read already gone and A Smith, Whitelock, Moody, B Barret, Coles and maybe Retallick not looking likely they for 2023.
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@Unite said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Are there any decent journalists that are going to ask some pointed questions of these guys at the next few press conferences?
Foster just deflects to congratulating the other team, saying how well they played etc. It wasnt his fault, it was just the other team played better. It is very hard to win when the other teams just keep playing so well....
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The thing which frustrates me is this is the same-old, same-old.
The problems we saw from 2017 onward are still there and it shows against a team which can out-muscle and out-discipline us. The strategy doesn't seem to have changed much either - go down the blind, spin it into the midfield where the likes of BB can exploit the gaps and fast counter attacks. That and occasional shit kicks and poor discipline.
There just doesn't seem to be a Plan B or a default style of play when the main game plan isn't working and there's a need to retain possession and/or pressure the opposition into making mistakes. That's not helped by both individual stupidity and a collective sense of panic. We had this ability in spades until 2016 and I don't think it's down to individual players.
A few years ago, we played Argentina and were in exactly the same place. The team kept calm, tightened the play up, played for position and had confidence in their ability to make something happen. Sure enough we pilfered a ball (a Nonu hit IIRC) and launched a counter attack. Try. Change in tempo and confidence. Game over
Now there's a lack of composure which almost seems to have become part of the on-field culture which is worrying. It breeds nervousness and mistakes in the players which means we drop passes or make the wrong decision at key points in the game (e.g. BBBR in RWC2019 semi)
I don't blame Foster for all of this as he's inherited a lot of the problems and you have to give him credit for some good stuff like making the lineout drive a potent weapon and actually trying to bring some continuity to team selection. But he really needs to have a good, hard look at his tactics, his team plan/style of play development and, above all, get the players heads right, both individually and collectively.
And I can't fault Cane either for his on-field attitude. Sure, he's still learning and some of his decisions aren't good, but he's giving 120% and is at least focussing on controlling the team and the game. Do Senior players like Sam Whitelock, Nugget and Beauden Barrett need to step up and get more involved both on and off the field?
I don't think there's any need to panic as it's early days, but to keep Joe Public on-side, Foster and co. really should communicate what they see as the current problems and what they are doing to address them. Otherwise it's going to be another season or two of the same old headless chicken rugby
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@voodoo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
So I ended up not watching this game. A quick scroll through this thread seems to indicate that it didn't go so well?
Now I have to decide whether to put myself through the torture of watching the replay.
Don't do it. I only watched the first 25 minutes before heading out. The recording got flushed
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@Paekakboyz said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@voodoo what @canefan said. Its bad bro, real bad. I watched the whole thing and wish I hadn't.
Imagine doing it surrounded by Wallabies supporters.
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The fact that you are posting this without a call to come bail you of jail is enough to show that you have considerable self-restraint.
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@antipodean said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Paekakboyz said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@voodoo what @canefan said. Its bad bro, real bad. I watched the whole thing and wish I hadn't.
Imagine doing it surrounded by Wallabies supporters.
Thats the time to sit quietly sipping your beer watching the fly walk up the wall
