Future of The Rugby Championship
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In a Covid world, the financial drawing power of the NH is cruelly declining.
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@cgrant said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
In a Covid world, the financial drawing power of the NH is
cruellydeclining as they fucking deserve.FIFY.
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It’s the best decision IMO. It retains robustness in the SH competitions and dies not further overcrowd the NH comps. Moreover and as far as the NH goes, is SA a financially sensible gamble? Maybe, but one I’d bet the house on, especially when you don’t need to.
Good outcome I reckon.
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Both NZR and SARU, and AR with respect to their Super teams, have shown that rugby agreements aren't worth the paper they're written on. So he might well be correct
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@Machpants
On balance I'll still take the global press over the ramblings of a stir-crazy saffa. -
@Machpants said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@mofitzy_ oh I agree, I was just pointing out a ten year agreement doesn't mean spit
'as sound as an NRL contract'
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@mofitzy_ said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@akan004
Strange he is doubling down when all international press says 10 years. Although having read his article, he has obviously got a few screws loose.Has for years.
Been a bit quiet in recent years.
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was it a success?
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@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
was it a success?
well, Australia came last, that's pretty good
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One big positive would be far less travel for the players.
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although with SA back in, I'd be more inclined to just play one another 1 time, and if they really want another game, have a 1-2 play off and 3-4?
Or, is this where they bring in an Island side?
CReating a bye weekend helps reduce the impact of multiple games over consecutive weeks
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If, I know it's crazy talk, you read the article the CEO said that they now know it works in a single location. Not that a single location is an aim, just that you can do it if you need to
“Another positive from this competition has been the realisation from the members that if required in future years, the concept of a centralised TRC is very possible with the prospect of double-header rounds a huge benefit for the local fans and wider broadcast audience across the four geographies.”
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I like the idea of a centralized comp in one place with double headers. Give each member nation a defined year to host it, agreed in advance at the inception of the broadcast deal.
Either a straight 3 week tournament with no byes, or play twice over 7 weekends with the bye in the middle. No nonsense playoffs/finals pls, just a straight points table like the 6 Nations.
It's more like the RWC that way, so better preparation.
Hell, while you're at it add in Japan and a Pasfika side and make it triple headers. Then it becomes a 5 week tournament, or 6 with a bye weekend, exactly like the 6 Nations.
Basically the 6 Nations is the best tournament format, and they have the advantage of low travel. Having TRC all in one place each year makes it possible to mimic this successful format more closely.
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@Bones said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@TeWaio yeah it's not a bad idea, although I think maybe to make it "come around" a bit quicker, perhaps 2 countries a year as hosts.
True, but how do you cluster them? Aus/NZ obviously works, but SA/Arg criss-crossing the Atlantic is still a lot of travel, are there even direct flights?
Pasifika side couldn't host out of the islands due to lack of infrastructure. And Japan is nowhere near any other the others.
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@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
was it a success?
My clairvoyance was. I said before it started that Foster's coaching isn't up to very much but Rennie should be competitive. And I don't even follow the Chiefs that much.
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@nostrildamus said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
was it a success?
My clairvoyance was. I said before it started that Foster's coaching isn't up to very much but Rennie should be competitive. And I don't even follow the Chiefs that much.
Wow really?
Not sure if you've advanced your opinion on Foster previously.
Tell us more.
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@booboo said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
was it a success?
Crowds were aweso... oh
They didn't even sell out venues to half full. Stupid idea, as unlike the 6 Nations you get fuck all traveling fans and a much lower engaged in rugby population
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With the way the matches and tournament played out surely it’s future is healthier than ever.
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@booboo said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@nostrildamus said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
was it a success?
My clairvoyance was. I said before it started that Foster's coaching isn't up to very much but Rennie should be competitive. And I don't even follow the Chiefs that much.
Wow really?
Not sure if you've advanced your opinion on Foster previously.
Tell us more.
The problem with sarcasm is when it explicitly contains permission to rant further.
And I'd hate to disappoint. So, writing my short War and Peace Summary NOW.
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@Machpants said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@booboo said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
was it a success?
Crowds were aweso... oh
They didn't even sell out venues to half full. Stupid idea, as unlike the 6 Nations you get fuck all traveling fans and a much lower engaged in rugby population
in fairness its hard to talking about travelling fans given the whole COVID thing
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@Kiwiwomble said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@booboo said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
was it a success?
Crowds were aweso... oh
They didn't even sell out venues to half full. Stupid idea, as unlike the 6 Nations you get fuck all traveling fans and a much lower engaged in rugby population
in fairness its hard to talking about travelling fans given the whole COVID thing
But I'm talking beyond that, very few travel for the RC with distances involved. It's not like popping around Europe
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I know matchpants read it and cleared up what the actual article said. Basically the adminsitrator was saying - 'if world still in disaster next year, can do this again .... ' (paraphrased).
As for future TRCs. This format was awful IMO. But it did a job.
Would hope they can add a team or two, so that the competition is one match only v each opponent, not home and away. Save travel, save costs, improve unpredictability.
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If want to do a one-nation tournament. Then could do a Southern Hemisphere Championship, once every 4 years. 4 current SANZAAR teams plus 3 PIs, plus Uruguay. 2 groups of 4, then a finals weekend (like the Autumn Nations Cup just been).
While a tournament with a final would be good practice for NZ (and all others). It won't help us practice our way past our 1/4 peak, semi-final flop syndrome.
Other tournament I have suggested on here before is Pan-Pacific Championship. NZ + Aus, Japan, 3 PIs, USA & Canada. Again 2 groups of 4 plus a finals weekend. I suggested this as a way for NZ to venture into Japanese TV money (and future USA potential) without wrecking TRC. Played in November window once every 4 years instead of touring. Because of timezones, this one doesn't need to be single country host. Although Tonga's inability to host any home matches means it would probably be the best format for the forseeable future.
I suggested this as I liked the geographic integrity of TRC being pseudo Southern Hemisphere championship. So wasn't keen on adding Japan.
But adding Japan to current TRC is probably the easiest hanging fruit.
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@canefan said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido could be the mid year between RWCs, like the Euro football champs
Lions tour?
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@mariner4life said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@canefan said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido could be the mid year between RWCs, like the Euro football champs
Lions tour?
Pan-Pacifics would work in that window.
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as i mentioned in the Japan in Super rugby thread, i enjoyed watching them play on the weekend, they were creative and tried a variety of approaches throughout the game and made good yards at times, would love to see them play against Argentina or Aussie to get a better gauge
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@sparky said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
Sharks CEO backs Springboks joining the 6 Nations.
Do the 6N actually want the Boks?
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@canefan I doubt very much that Scotland or Italy would want to see any change to the 6 Nations status quo, least of all promotion and relegation.
The 6 Nations is already financially lucrative for England and Wales, although both unions have expressed some support to closer links to Japan. Who wouldn't want the world third largest economy as part of their tournament?
If there is support for South Africa joining the Six Nations, then it is from Ireland and France. More games against the Boks would undoubtedly increase their revenues.
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@sparky said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@canefan I doubt very much that Scotland or Italy would want to see any change to the 6 Nations status quo, least of all promotion or relegation.
The 6 Nations is already financially lucrative for England and Wales, although both unions have expressed some support to closer links to Japan. Who wouldn't want the world third largest economy as part of their tournament?
If there is support for South Africa joining the Six Nations, then it is from Ireland and France. More games against the Boks would undoubtedly increase their revenues.
Don’t lump the mighty Scots in with those Spagetti eating losers. THREE Scots are in the Lions starting line up this weekend !