Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18
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@pukunui I get that and I understand that selection pattern. But we seem to complain about a lack of speed and wingers getting bundled into touch because they are not pure wingers and wonder why. I think possibly we have taken the versatility thing too far. Maybe in our subs but otherwise let’s have specialists.
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Our last world cup winning right winger was a midget with good feet. The one before that was a midget who happened to catch bombs well. Both could create opportunities from nothing with other attacking attributes (feet or fend)
This whole thing is because we used to stash Ben Smith on the wing when something shiny (but not as good) came along. It was just lucky he was fucking dynamite there as well. He also could create for himself.
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
I don't really buy that there is a need for two different style wings. If you have one who is good in the air, what does that matter if the opposition can just kick to the other one? It's not like one wing can cover the others weaknesses, they are nowhere near each other. Better bet to pick two wings whose style suits our gameplan.
Gotta have a gameplan first of course.Our game plan appears to be "not have the ball, hope they make a mistake" , so having 3 fullbacks would be the sensible option.
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@mariner4life Bender’s little jink then change of pace, also holding the ball in two hands to keep the defence in two minds.
Bender whilst touted as a journeyman by some early on (not me!) really elevated his game to someone we could rely upon to get most things right, but also for a spark. Those types unfortunately don’t fall off trees.
That season (half?) playing at centre for the ABs was a mixed bag.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@mariner4life Bender’s little jink then change of pace, also holding the ball in two hands to keep the defence in two minds.
That description noticeably works for Jordan too.
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
I don't really buy that there is a need for two different style wings. If you have one who is good in the air, what does that matter if the opposition can just kick to the other one? It's not like one wing can cover the others weaknesses, they are nowhere near each other. Better bet to pick two wings whose style suits our gameplan.
Gotta have a gameplan first of course.It’s a formula that has worked for us , but there is no set rule .
End of the day you look at what’s available and pick your strongest team
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Everything about what is wrong with this team again has been said already.
All I'll add to the conversation is that I still haven't got my head around Foster being promoted to head coach on the back of absolutely nothing. He has no body of work that even hints he knows what he is doing. What the hell were they thinking?
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@No-Quarter All I can think of is that Shag, Fox and management have watched Fozzie behind the scenes and they believe in his abilities. All I can say is he must do a lot of work behind the scenes that we don't see.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@No-Quarter All I can think of is that Shag, Fox and management have watched Fozzie behind the scenes and they believe in his abilities. All I can say is he must do a lot of work behind the scenes that we don't see.
Trains like Tarzan...
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Everything about what is wrong with this team again has been said already.
All I'll add to the conversation is that I still haven't got my head around Foster being promoted to head coach on the back of absolutely nothing. He has no body of work that even hints he knows what he is doing. What the hell were they thinking?
Hansen had far, far, far too much say.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Everything about what is wrong with this team again has been said already.
All I'll add to the conversation is that I still haven't got my head around Foster being promoted to head coach on the back of absolutely nothing. He has no body of work that even hints he knows what he is doing. What the hell were they thinking?
Probably have to give him a smidgeon of credit for being Assistant Coach of the team that won the RWC in 2015.
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@chimoaus yeah you have to think he has shown enough to these guys, for them to think he can carry on the legacy.
I cant see them thinking he is incompetent, and then backing him...I mean Fox still has to work with him, I expect he probably doesnt need to work these days, he prefers following Ryan about, so he must still love it and be happy with the appointment...I expect McLeod was stoked to keep his job!
All that being said, doesnt detract from the fact we have seen nothing in the past 18-24 months to indicate we are making changes to get ahead (is usually stay) of the pack
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@Chris-B said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Everything about what is wrong with this team again has been said already.
All I'll add to the conversation is that I still haven't got my head around Foster being promoted to head coach on the back of absolutely nothing. He has no body of work that even hints he knows what he is doing. What the hell were they thinking?
Probably have to give him a smidgeon of credit for being Assistant Coach of the team that won the RWC in 2015.
So absolutely nothing as a head coach.
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@No-Quarter so assistant managers with no full Manager job experience never get promoted either then?
Not saying I agreed with the decision to appoint Foster, but I dont agree with your logic either.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@No-Quarter so assistant managers with no full Manager job experience never get promoted either then?
Not to the top of the most successful organisations in the world they fucking don't. They practice running the cutter elsewhere first, and PROVE they are up to the job, before they are even considered for the role.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@No-Quarter All I can think of is that Shag, Fox and management have watched Fozzie behind the scenes and they believe in his abilities. All I can say is he must do a lot of work behind the scenes that we don't see.
Puts in massive shift at breakfast.
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@No-Quarter if they are good enough they are good enough...but Id say they would usually be outstanding candidates where it was obvious they be promoted through despite thier lack of experience at the top job...Foster isnt outstanding
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@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
the muppets?
Perhaps "the sponge"?
Well it has been a dry season so far..
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/119370604/new-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-eager-to-soak-up-the-lessons-of-rugby-world-cup-failure
"New All Blacks coach Ian Foster eager to soak up the lessons of Rugby World Cup failure"If you're going to go with something absorbent, I think "the tampon" works better. It's going to be a miserable period and there won't be any satisfaction until that bloody thing is gone.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@No-Quarter so assistant managers with no full Manager job experience never get promoted either then?
Not to the top of the most successful organisations in the world they fucking don't. They practice running the cutter elsewhere first, and PROVE they are up to the job, before they are even considered for the role.
So no to Rennie then?
