The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@broughie said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I think his response is a sign that he’s not dealing with the pressure very well. This statement I find pretty remarkable:
“They may know the game from what they see in the 80 minutes but they do not see a lot of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes.”
Who really gives a fuck what happens behind the scenes. At the end of the day it’s scoreboard so I’m not quite sure what he’s trying to say. That they’re working on things behind the scene and things are gonna get better? Other than some people calling foster fat I’m not sure the fern has really been cruel. The problem is is that most of us agreed that Fops ster wasn’t the right man in the first place and this was pretty unanimous. We just don’t have confidence in him as a coach.
Perhaps the most unfair thing is Foster receives a lot more fat jokes than Hansen did. Perhaps because there aren't many who'd say them to Hansen's face? Oh and Hansen usually hid in a jacket.
Ian Foster succeeds Steve Hansen as All Blacks coach
Ian Foster has succeeded Steve Hansen as All Blacks coach, New Zealand Rugby announced on Wednesday.
That's always the case when someone has success or is deemed competent. I remember living in Aus when Mark Taylor was going through a bad form slump. Suddenly the way he chewed gum was being ridiculed. Apparently, people had never noticed him doing exactly the same thing when he was conquering the world.
how quickly they turn, those Australians! We are so lucky pitchforks don't go well with flip flops..
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Half an hour to a kickoff I, for one, await with great interest.
The selection process, imperfect though it may be, has yielded 15 genuine AB players. Akira will hopefully get a decent chance to show why he should have been included a lot sooner and a lot more often. Nothing wrong with the subs either.
This team has more than enough skills to beat Argentina. And the coaches have had plenty of opportunity to suss out the Argentine defence - not greatly dissimilar to that deployed by the Boks in the WC. And the ABs won that game.
Nailing my colours to the mast, I expect NZ to win by a wide margin.
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@broughie said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nostrildamus or perhaps we considered Hansen a better coach in the beginning. Foster maybe qualified for team manager.
In business, a great no.2 can be more important to a company's success than a great CEO.
But can often turn out to be a utter crap when promoted to CEO.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@broughie said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nostrildamus or perhaps we considered Hansen a better coach in the beginning. Foster maybe qualified for team manager.
In business, a great no.2 can be more important to a company's success than a great CEO.
But can often turn out to be a utter crap when promoted to CEO.
I looked that phenomena up in an encyclopaedia and there was a picture of Andy Robinson
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@sparky said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
If I was Mark Robinson, I'd do the deed quickly and brutally this week. Fire Fozzie, annoint Razor.
Nah...you have to make it look like an accident.
There are lots of tunnels in Sydney and Liz is stuck at home if you need to make a call to find out how it was done in Paris.
Is it too soon for that joke?
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@Big-Bok said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Half an hour to a kickoff I, for one, await with great interest.
The selection process, imperfect though it may be, has yielded 15 genuine AB players. Akira will hopefully get a decent chance to show why he should have been included a lot sooner and a lot more often. Nothing wrong with the subs either.
Pre-RWC we had a few areas where we were struggling to find players that fitted well with what the larger team was trying to do:
- a genuine, powerful 6
- a midfield that was solid defensively and could hopefully attack a bit
We never solved those questions and post-RWC, we added:
- a number 8
- the annual review of the best in-form wingers
At the end of the year, I suspect we can guess at the answers to 6 (Akira - he's played <80 mins but looks solid), 8 (Sotutu - sorry Ardie, you're either 7 and drop Cane or sub....), we still don't have any better answers in the midfield aside from "Goodhue/ALB isn't the answer and I'm not sure Reiko is either - is everyone else still injured?". On the wings we have Caleb Clarke as a solid choice in 2020 but we will see what everyone's form is like in 2021. Maybe we've also learnt that Jordie Barrett isn't a wing.
Because the real questions will come when some of our senior players hang up their boots - Moody/Coles/Whitelock/Smith/Beauden.
And I have skipped the Ritchie/Beauden at 10 debate because its a sideshow until we sort out the other more serious crap and even if the answer is Beauden he will be 32 at RWC2023.
Given that progress, I wonder what the coaching staff are working towards. Or is it just passing another year and hoping for a superstar in 2021? Or 2022? Or 2023?
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So at the end of 2020 we can see that Foster has destroyed the back line. Players out of position, players with good form going in playing like turkeys, only turning up great new players when forced to play them and no discernible pattern to the attack other than to kick.
I predict he will do the same to the forwards in 2021.
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@Big-Bok said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Half an hour to a kickoff I, for one, await with great interest.
The selection process, imperfect though it may be, has yielded 15 genuine AB players. Akira will hopefully get a decent chance to show why he should have been included a lot sooner and a lot more often. Nothing wrong with the subs either.
This team has more than enough skills to beat Argentina. And the coaches have had plenty of opportunity to suss out the Argentine defence - not greatly dissimilar to that deployed by the Boks in the WC. And the ABs won that game.
Nailing my colours to the mast, I expect NZ to win by a wide margin.
Nailed it big fella 🙂👍
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@PecoTrain said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@sparky said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
If I was Mark Robinson, I'd do the deed quickly and brutally this week. Fire Fozzie, annoint Razor.
Nah...you have to make it look like an accident.
There are lots of tunnels in Sydney and Liz is stuck at home if you need to make a call to find out how it was done in Paris.
Is it too soon for that joke?
If anything, it's too late 🙂
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
a great no.2
@Victor-Meldrew said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
But can often turn out to be a utter crap
Unfortunate references to shit but that seems to be what we have.
He's not learning. Jack isn't a 12, Jordie isn't a 14, Ardie is an 8 at a real stretch. I'm even going to say that BB is a 10 (and out of form). We have Sotutu, Jordan and Akira who all should have had loads of game time over the last month or so. Not to mention Clarke who was such an obvious pick from the beginning.
Would we be 3:1:2 now?
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/108061927/rieko-ioane-values-family-history-with-japan-as-all-blacks-prepare-for-bledisloe-battle
Ian Foster:
"We're probably not smart enough to think two games in advance."talk like this scares me, humour intended, or not. Bye bye next RWC.
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@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/108061927/rieko-ioane-values-family-history-with-japan-as-all-blacks-prepare-for-bledisloe-battle
Ian Foster:
"We're probably not smart enough to think two games in advance."talk like this scares me, humour intended, or not. Bye bye next RWC.
Although, whether it was real or not, the perceived downfall of the coaches in 2007 was that they were thinking about a semi-final instead of the quarterfinal in front of them...
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so long ago!
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@PecoTrain said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Big-Bok said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Half an hour to a kickoff I, for one, await with great interest.
The selection process, imperfect though it may be, has yielded 15 genuine AB players. Akira will hopefully get a decent chance to show why he should have been included a lot sooner and a lot more often. Nothing wrong with the subs either.
Pre-RWC we had a few areas where we were struggling to find players that fitted well with what the larger team was trying to do:
- a genuine, powerful 6
- a midfield that was solid defensively and could hopefully attack a bit
- a number 8
We never solved those questions and post-RWC, we added:
- the annual review of the best in-form wingers
At the end of the year, I suspect we can guess at the answers to 6 (Akira - he's played <80 mins but looks solid), 8 (Sotutu - sorry Ardie, you're either 7 and drop Cane or sub....), we still don't have any better answers in the midfield aside from "Goodhue/ALB isn't the answer and I'm not sure Reiko is either - is everyone else still injured?". On the wings we have Caleb Clarke as a solid choice in 2020 but we will see what everyone's form is like in 2021. Maybe we've also learnt that Jordie Barrett isn't a wing.
Because the real questions will come when some of our senior players hang up their boots - Moody/Coles/Whitelock/Smith/Beauden.
And I have skipped the Ritchie/Beauden at 10 debate because its a sideshow until we sort out the other more serious crap and even if the answer is Beauden he will be 32 at RWC2023.
Given that progress, I wonder what the coaching staff are working towards. Or is it just passing another year and hoping for a superstar in 2021? Or 2022? Or 2023?
Fixed.
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A little harsh - I would speculate that if Read had hung around another year that we could have worked out who was our best option at 7 rather than starting Captain Cane and moving Ardie between 6 and 8 when he's neither while Sotutu would have probably got a similar amount of game time.
Which then questions why you'd name Cane captain if you weren't sure what the rest of the loosies would look like.
But I guess that was Faster starting as he meant to go on.
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@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Unfortunate references to shit but that seems to be what we have.
Purely unintentional.
He's not learning.
I'm finding Foster frustrating beyond belief.
I think he did the sensible thing with Caleb Clarke by making his debut as a replacement to ease him in and then sticking with him, and if Akira has turned the corner with his attitude, then Foster deserves credit for that too. I like the way the changes he's made have been incremental and allowed players time to bed down and feel comfortable in their position. And the drive towards the tryline from a lineout has become really potent.
However.......
Some of his selections and tactics are truly bizarre. I won't go over JB again, but why have two playmakers on the field if you're not going to swap them round and why throw a rookie 13 in at the deep end in a big game? And why wait until seemingly use the last game to use cross-kicks & Jordie's height?
Some really pragmatic stuff but mostly truly bonkers stuff.
